Too far Page. You must admit that Suarez has missed loads of chances this season and could have achieved 20 goals with his chances ? Don't get me wrong, I think he's a goad player but he has missed a fair few chances this season.
Not disputing that,but if he was purchased based on his scoring ability in Holland it puts to bed your theory,because Suarez's goal stats was as good in Holland as horses head. Or are you saying that the Bulgarian league is a strong league because Berbatov has scored plenty of goals in the prem. Its purely down to the players that surround him in the team being good enough to provide the ammo enough.
It happens Eric,look at Berbatov for instance. The last 4 months of last season Suarez was quality,but he had Meireles and Maxi providing him with chances,look whats happened this season with the other players he's played with.
Depends how much on a plate he needs the chances, some strikers create their own goals and convert half chances provided by their team mates as well as tapping in the sitters. I wouldn't call Darren Bent top class, nor would I consider Sunderland to be a team that creates bucket loads of chances, but Bent managed 20+ goals for them a couple of seasons ago.
But Van Persie for instance scored pretty low numbers in his first 6 years at Arsenal so no doubt you'd have been claiming he's a woeful finisher as well. Granted two of those seasons he had lots of injuries but I don't think he'd scored more than 12 league goals in a season in 5 or 6 years. Unfortunately for us Suarez hasn't got the luxury of playing alongside Bergkamp, Henry etc so he does have to take on more responsibility himself. Maybe he's not up to that but only a tool would judge him on just over 12 months of football in this country (especially when he's already spent a fair amount of game time ripping your own teams defence to shreds). As you seem to have watched so much of us this year I am surprised you've come to the conclusion that he can't play under pressure (I'd be hard pushed to think of one individual Prem footballer who's had more pressure heaped on him this year). If you're even really interested in considering a reasoned point of view then think about the pressure on a young lads shoulders in a Copa America final: [video=youtube;ExJwLKZsN2M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExJwLKZsN2M[/video] Seemed to handle that just fine.
My theory wasn't that players who score goals in Holland are ****. My theory, based on the goalscoring exploits of players like Kezman and Suarez, is that some strikers are able to score goals in Holland but struggle in England. Others like RVN are good enough to score in both. If it's purely down to the players surrounding him then Dalglish should have bought the rest of the Ajax team to support Suarez.
He has mate but the argument is does that automatically mean he's a "woeful" finisher? He's not had a great year in front of goal but his record for previous clubs and country would suggest the tag "woeful" finisher is basically bullshit
You're "theory" was nothing of the sort....you simply stated that he's a woeful finisher. I disagreed because frankly your "theory" was a load of bullshit aimed at trying to be a smart arse
How long did you give Poulsen before you decided he was **** and needed to be moved on? 12 months? 12 weeks? 12 games?
My "theory" was that he is a "woeful" finisher and "when" I was asked to back that "theory" up I did so which "seems" to have "upset" you.
Yeah about 12 minutes in fairness but that's because I happen to watch football and am usually educated enough in the game to discern the difference between a Poulsen or Bebe to a Suarez or Rooney. It's not quite as complicated as you'd like to make out in fact it's quite simple. Suarez is an excellent player but he needs to be more consistent to prove he's good enough for a long term future in English football. So far he's proved he has the skills to be top class and his goalscoring record elsewhere suggests he doesn't usually have much trouble finding the net. This doesn't automatically mean he'll be a great it's simply about potential. If you think he hasn't got that potential then that's fine but I happen to think he most definately has
I'm not upset lad despite delusions that I might be. When you accused me of disrespecting Munich victims then yeah I was fuming but a discussion about a player you are bound to dislike anyway is hardly going to get me crying into my beer is it? You still haven't backed up your theory that he's a woeful finisher in any way shape or form as you can't really argue against a guy who's goal scoring record is frankly excellent.
Fair comment but your unwilling even to bother comparing his record for previous clubs and his country when issuing a blanket statement such as "he's a woeful finisher". That's my issue with what you said. Had you said he'll never be prolific in the Premier League then it would just be a matter of opinion but to claim "he's a woeful finisher" when his record prior to this one season is a record of scoring lots of goals is a claim that I think I've comfortably countered.
You've comfortably countered that against lesser opposition he is capable of scoring goals. His finishing in the PL has by and large been woeful. Personally I couldn't give a **** what a United player has done for other clubs or their country as I support United not those clubs or countries (even England to a degree). Kleberson was the Brazil manager's pick as their player of the tournament when they won the 2002 World Cup. Meant **** all to United when it became obvious he wasn't cut out for the PL.
So the fact he is in your own words "capable of scoring goals" would suggest again that he isn't a "woeful" finisher. The arguument of whether or not he's capable of doing it in the prem wasn't' the argument you made initially. Time will tell on that one. Personally I think he will prove to be quite capable but then I am biased...as are you.
