I don't think AKCJ reads what people post ... All OLM said was in the last 10 years we have done better then Leeds which is true ... We all know how **** we where in the past , but that's not the case now ...
.. i's a condition called Dicklexia ... because AKCJ regards OLM as a dick (I'm not judging either way ) his vision takes in not what OLM actually writes but what he expects to see ...
Ah is that what it is? Silly me thought it was merely ****radiction, in that AKCJ would have to act a **** by disagreeing with whatever OLM says, whether it's controversial or not
We have been more successful than TWS. They have been in freefall and don't look like returning to the top flight anytime soon. Whereas we've been up there in the Premier League and look as though it's only a matter of time before we're back up there.
There's not really much in it between Leeds and Hull to be fair. OLM included this season which is far from finished, Leeds may achieve promotion his season and Hull may not. Not looking likely but definitely possible. If OLM had included the season before his list started instead of this season, then Hull and Leeds would have been level on Prem seasons, and Leeds would have shaded it because Hull were in League Two which Leeds weren't. That's stats for yer. Hull only really had half a decent season in the Prem, their early results allowed them to stay up when it went pear-shaped after Christmas. But really not much in it and I don't think ever side deserves clear bragging rights.
I've no interest in bragging rights, it's patently obvious that Leeds have traditionally been far more successful than Hull. The point was that over the past ten years Hull have had a better time than Leeds and as Leeds have gone from being a top club to obscurity, while Hull went from obscurity to doing well, we've quite obviously had a better last ten years. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
Spot on OLM .. As pointed out we long time supporters know only to well how crap we where in the past but some of us where there no matter how bad things where . There was a time when anyone buying a season pass risked being carted off to the local nut house , though we did have some decent seasons ..
Now it's you that's not sticking to the original point. McTorres said that Hull have been the top Yorkshire club over the last ten years. This is up for debate. Sheffield Utd are another club that could claim that right too. If you're talking about ten year targets, no doubt it's been a disaster for Leeds (and United too over the last couple of years) and a massive success for you. But this isn't what was stated. I just worked out if you get one point for each season for being in League 2, 2 points for being in League 1, 3 points for being in the championship and four points for being in the Prem, this is how the last ten years (not including this season) look: Sheff Utd 30 Leeds 29 Hull 27 If you include this season, it would look like this: Sheff Utd 29 Hull 29 Leeds 28 Like I said, tight. Out of interest, we'd be on 30 whether you count this season or not.
I never mentioned the comment about Hull being Yorkshire's top club, I merely responded to AKCJ's 'do you really think you're bigger than Leeds' question. One point for this, two points for that..........I'm not including this season as it makes it look worse........what a load of old cobblers. Not only did we finish in a higher position than Leeds for most of the past ten years, but we were in a higher league for half of them, that's the only real measure of success.
You were the one that corrected AKCJ so you were arguing McTorres' point for him. I didn't include this season as we're not even into 2013 yet, not because it makes you look worse. There's barely any difference anyway. How can it be cobblers? Oh yes, that's right, because it doesn't suit you're argument. If you go from 2003-2012 seasons, you finished below the Championship three times, so did Leeds. You finished in the Prem twice, so did Leeds. There's little in it. But if you wish to live in you're own reality, well, good luck with that.
He argued that Hull were 'the top side' in Yorkshire. I disagreed and I should have used a different phrase to 'bigger than' because obviously you're light years away. Leeds fell into administration which managed to cripple a club of their size and ultimately send a Champions League side into a League one side within a decade, coupled with Ken Bates and they're still within touching distance of yourself, who continue to receive parachute payments (or has your 4 years ended?) and can afford to have 3m euro strikers sitting on their bench/in their reserves. I'd also argue that without Pearson and The Alam family that you wouldn't be in this division anymore let alone competing for play-off spots. You were doing what Leeds had done in that you were in financial obscurity and I don't think your club was big enough to survive it in the same way that Leeds did. So, success is relative. I think Leeds have achieved more in the last 10 years by staying alive as a club and having put themselves in a respectable position (the same position as yourselves), the same goes for us when we were promoted in admin. Of course you'll disagree, that's just my opinion.
AKCJ you are entitled to your opinion, but I get the impression that you want to twist the facts in any situation to try and put our club down. If I have mis-understood, then apologies. Both Leeds and Hull have had horrendous financial problems in the not too distant past. It was reported not so long ago that, had the Allams not come along, Hull City would no longer exist - it had no assets to enable it go into administration, CVA etc. It would have gone straight to liquidation. The discussion between Lesta and OLM was (or appeared to be) which club had been more successful on the pitch. Lesta's points system did appear to be overcomplicated "cobblers" but I think OLM is incorrect as well. Looking at the final league tables from the 2002/03 season to 2011/12, honours appear to be even. However, since the 2006/07 season we have finished in a higher position (or league) than Leeds in 5 of the 6 seasons.
It's cobblers because they're in the championship this season, it doesn't matter if it's August 2012 or April 2013, they're still going to be in the Championship for the entirety of this season.
TBF AKCJ there are a few flaws in the logic ...I can't really square surviving administration being more successful than promotion to the Premier League .. if that was a vaild argument then wouldn't Accrington Stanley now be one of the most successful clubs in British football having risen phoenix like from the ashes of their former existence? The bit about the Allams and Pearson is also rather wobbly as a factor in such arguments - without Mandaric and Pearson would we now be in the conference? ... no we would probably be where we are although progress from the relegation might have been different .. The reality is that success in football is a constantly moving dynamic but the 'current measure' has to be 'recent history' - that does not detract from a glorious past - look how good Blackburn, Preston, Blackpool and Huddersfield have been if you look back far enough It may leave a sour taste in your mouth but Hull have indeed been more successful than Leeds in the last 10 years ... they have also been more successful than us in he last 5 years too .... we have to recognise that because the record books show it ..... but in 2 or 3 years time that may (and hopefully will)all have changed .. that's football
You haven't misunderstood anything, AKCJ feels the need to put a snide remark about Hull City every time he posts anything about us. He must get some sort of satisfaction from doing it, but obviously it makes him look a bit twattish.
Fosse - are you actually related to OLM? As for who has been the bigger club over the last 10 years - who gives a ****.
