Solent: "Saints not interested in Maynard or Sharp"

thereisonlyoneno7 · Dec 30, 2011

Saints Fan4Life said: ↑

no im not - increasing foreigners are what is ruining our country its them that is the problem
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Exactly. I think that our lives are all the worse because our Swiss owner came over and saved our English club and put in an Italian chairman - or does that not count.....

Sainthudson · Dec 30, 2011

Is this a football forum ??

Dan · Dec 30, 2011

joesteinberg said: ↑

That whole year I was just thinking "why can they not just write it all down in one ****ing document?!"
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Oh cause then it's harder to change with the times and there's less freedom blah blah blah... basically everyone is too lazy to do it, and if it was all written down it would be more simple for Uni students to learn. It's a conspiracy.

thereisonlyoneno7 said: ↑

Exactly. I think that our lives are all the worse because our Swiss owner came over and saved our English club and put in an Italian chairman - or does that not count.....
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Ha, well put.

Saints Fan4Life · Dec 30, 2011

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Now guys. A statements or 4 before I continue and I expect I will get stick for what I say. Ahemm

Firstly - My wife is one of those 'economic migrants' She is Portuguese.
Secondly - She is black too with parentage from Africa.
Thirdly - No I didn't marry her so I could portray myself as non-racist
Fourthly - I am proud to inform people my wife is black, not a british citizen and that my children have multi-cultural heritage.

Now onto what I will get stick for - I agree almost totally with Saints 4 Life (excuse me if I got your username wrong.)

I don't agree about a signing must be British. This is football.

I do agree with 'foreigners' lowering the labour costs though and 'nicking' our jobs. I have very real experience of it.

Those of you saying 'they got the jobs because they were more skilled' are barking up the wrong tree. I have no problem with welcoming immigrants/migrants that are filling needed 'skilled' jobs however I assume that 'Saints 4 life' like me is talking of unskilled manual jobs. Factories, Farms etc.

In the good old days people filling these jobs were low paid people. There was no NWM. Subsidised tranny vans would pick them up from the Council Estates as they did not have nor could really afford cars. The workers would each pay Â£10 a week for this They would be delivered to the workplace miles and miles away (10 - 40 miles in most cases), do their work for a pittance and then be delivered back to the estates.

Over time the NWM came in and the benefits kept rising. Many British thought they were were above this kind of work and wage seeing the difference between the NWM and benefits was virtually non existent. The wages in these factories was now above NWM to get the workers.

So these companies were subsidising transport and paying higher than NWM. i.e. it was about Â£1 per hour more than the NWM at the time.

Then over came the Portuguese. Not too many our factory filled gaps with Portuguese agency workers. All of a sudden the factories had workers that worked out cheaper than the British (after adding together NI, Tax, Holidays, subsidised transport etc.)

At this time the egg factory I worked at (The largest in Europe) had 95% British, 5% migrant workforce.

The the Eastern block joined the EU and within 3 years It was 5% British, 95% migrant. The 5% British were management, QC etc, not shop floor!!!!

Why was this? Because in that time (just 3 years) the company reduced the wage rises which meant that by the end of that time the wage had been reduced to exactly the NWM. The subsidised transport was cancelled leaving people with a choice of sorting their own transport out or leaving. Those that already drove to work in car shares etc, were watched like hawks for any minute thing they could get a disciplined for until they could be sacked. After this had happened to quite a few the other Brits upped and left. No point waiting for the hammer to fall!!!

What is the government reply when this claim is made? They are not working for less, there is a NWM. Errm they are because the wages were previously higher than the NWM and now they are also not subsidising the transport.

Not only did they prefer the migrants because their 'agencies*' would deliver them in for free, They were now paying lower wages (compared to the higher than NWM before.) They now had a workforce that would work 7 days a week if required (illegal by EU law at the time, Don't know if it has changed) and back to back shifts (20 hours) if required (illegal by EU law at the time, Don't know if it has changed.) They either filled the 'opt out' of the max 48 hours rule or they didn't get a place on the van. Most of these were working 80-90 hours a week if required (not asked, they were informed)

* These were no longer agencies as in supplying agency workers because the companies had paid the fees to buy these workers from the agencies however the agencies were charging their former agency workers Â£20 a week to be delivered into the factory.

At this point I tol my wife she would be a housewife and was not paying any money to these crooks.

Luckily for me I do have these extra skills. I worked in that factory for 5 years after 2 redundancies left me pretty unambitious however I returned to the offices in my city on much more annual salary than I earned in the factory. Wish I hadn't needed to though because I really enjoyed working in that factory

So No it isn't a racist or bigotted thing to say. It is a truth. The way that the NWM is bandied about as evidence they aren't working for less is a falsehood and the fact that more are leaving the UK than are coming means nothing. If the skilled are leaving yet the migrants are taking unskilled jobs then it means there are more unskilled workers left on the scrap heap here in the UK.

Now they may well not want to work in those jobs and rightly so we are told that they will be made to work or lose their benefits however which jobs exactly are they going to be made to do? They are unskilled and the English companies don't want them. They have already shown that?

I assume from most of the comments on this above that many haven't seen this situation from my side of the coin. Of actually watching whilst your fellow nationals are gradually pushed out of their jobs in their own company to be replaced by a cheaper option.

I also bet you don't believe that I as a qualified accountant, someone who has had Â£40k a year jobs pre and post the factory job preferred that Â£12k a year (basic not inc O/T) factory job and would still be there now if all this hadn't happened.

As it is I have been hit like above and am now on the JSA wondering how to afford to survive on a measly Â£23k a year (JSA+benefits+child allowance+free fruit and veg vouchers.)

Quite nicely really Labour's free money give aways that broke the country (Tax Credits and benefits rises) are sitting quite nicely in my savings account. Why?

Because I do not have Sky, 50" plasma or leather couches. That is why people think the cost of living is high. because quite literally almost no-one in this country lives in poverty no matter what the NWM was supposed to have been brought in to do, That tax that I have paid heavily in the past was given away by Blair/Brown to people not for them buy vitals to survive but so they could pay their Â£30 a month mobile bill, Â£40 a month Sky bill and their Â£50 a month DFS bill (plus all the added extras like extreme energy usage for all manner of electrical goods.)

I now live on a council estate. I have never seen so many Brighthouse/Argos/Tesco Direct delivery vans, Never seen so many satellite dishes and they all leave the curtains open to show off the 50" plasma that they spend 16 hours a day watching!!! They even get taxis to the dole office and all their groceries delivered to their door!!!

How is any government going to force them to work or lose their benefits? Where are the jobs? If they were there then there would be more migrants coming over to get them I can assure you and my wife agrees that there are far too many migrants coming over!!!

I am setting my own business up now because 3 redundancies and a 'forced out' peeved me. I'll look after myself from now!!!

Rant Over

Remember I live in Farming country (Lincolnshire), low wages, very high percentage of manual work and not much in the way of high salary work.
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thanks for agreeing! i agree with most of your points listed, and you have worded it all better than i could ever do

Tony Montana · Dec 30, 2011

Back to the point, I don't believe that this statement means that much I mean wenger said he wouldn't sign Henry and here he is today announcing that he's signed him. so there is still a possibility.......

ThatThereSaintsFan · Dec 30, 2011

**** me speaking as a 16 year old in the final year of secondary school not once in my education have I ever stumbled into someone anywhere near as big a bigot as some of the people on this board. Sickening I thought better of my generation and of the world as a whole.

Excuse the language.

Southampton_FC · Dec 30, 2011

Saints Fan4Life said: ↑

no need to get personal is there? theyre taking our jobs, so more and more people are out of work, which in turn worsens the economy
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And to be fair, also reduces Englands chances making all our upcoming youth rot away

Beef · Dec 30, 2011

ThatThereSaintsFan said: ↑

**** me speaking as a 16 year old in the final year of secondary school not once in my education have I ever stumbled into someone anywhere near as big a bigot as some of the people on this board. Sickening I thought better of my generation and of the world as a whole.

Excuse the language.
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And how are some people on here bigoted?. It may be because your only just 16 and haven't seen the real world yet.

ThatThereSaintsFan · Dec 30, 2011

Beef_Dripping said: ↑

And how are some people on here bigoted?. It may be because your only just 16 and haven't seen the real world yet.
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You genuinely believe none of the stuff you've just read on this thread represents the views of a bigot?

Joe! · Dec 30, 2011

ThatThereSaintsFan said: ↑

**** me speaking as a 16 year old in the final year of secondary school not once in my education have I ever stumbled into someone anywhere near as big a bigot as some of the people on this board. Sickening I thought better of my generation and of the world as a whole.

Excuse the language.
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You should check out the General Chat board. It's awful but this is how half of the population views society. It's sickening and it's holding mankind back.

Le God · Dec 30, 2011

thereisonlyoneno7 said: ↑

Exactly. I think that our lives are all the worse because our Swiss owner came over and saved our English club and put in an Italian chairman - or does that not count.....
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lololoooolooooool

Thorpie the sinner · Dec 30, 2011

Aren't there general chat forums when the debate totally diversifies? I keep coming to this thread thinking there may be more news on these two footballers, stupid me!!!

Itchen North Matt · Dec 30, 2011

I can't be bothered to go back through all this thread. When did we stop talking about football?

Joe! · Dec 30, 2011

I challenge you to find a single thread which hasn't deviated from the original topic after 6 pages.

lamby · Dec 30, 2011

See below thread. Lets mopve on!

Lets get back to the football
Some of our recent threads are moving miles away from what should be our main focus ie tonight's match and the fact that whatever the result we will march into 2012 top of the league!

COYR!

We will always have different views and opinions but we can always agree on at least one thing. Saints forever! Now lets all get back on the same bus and roar them home!

Beef · Dec 30, 2011

ThatThereSaintsFan said: ↑

You genuinely believe none of the stuff you've just read on this thread represents the views of a bigot?
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Of course some are, but others are just worded in a way that seems it. It's just the poster wrote it wrong etc.

ThatThereSaintsFan · Dec 30, 2011

Sorry my bad lets got back to football just felt I should speak out I would like jay rod or sordell, rumours are cameron jerome though.

The Based God · Dec 30, 2011

ImpsSaint said: ↑

Now guys. A statements or 4 before I continue and I expect I will get stick for what I say. Ahemm

Firstly - My wife is one of those 'economic migrants' She is Portuguese.
Secondly - She is black too with parentage from Africa.
Thirdly - No I didn't marry her so I could portray myself as non-racist
Fourthly - I am proud to inform people my wife is black, not a british citizen and that my children have multi-cultural heritage.

Now onto what I will get stick for - I agree almost totally with Saints 4 Life (excuse me if I got your username wrong.)

I don't agree about a signing must be British. This is football.

I do agree with 'foreigners' lowering the labour costs though and 'nicking' our jobs. I have very real experience of it.

Those of you saying 'they got the jobs because they were more skilled' are barking up the wrong tree. I have no problem with welcoming immigrants/migrants that are filling needed 'skilled' jobs however I assume that 'Saints 4 life' like me is talking of unskilled manual jobs. Factories, Farms etc.

In the good old days people filling these jobs were low paid people. There was no NWM. Subsidised tranny vans would pick them up from the Council Estates as they did not have nor could really afford cars. The workers would each pay Â£10 a week for this They would be delivered to the workplace miles and miles away (10 - 40 miles in most cases), do their work for a pittance and then be delivered back to the estates.

Over time the NWM came in and the benefits kept rising. Many British thought they were were above this kind of work and wage seeing the difference between the NWM and benefits was virtually non existent. The wages in these factories was now above NWM to get the workers.

So these companies were subsidising transport and paying higher than NWM. i.e. it was about Â£1 per hour more than the NWM at the time.

Then over came the Portuguese. Not too many our factory filled gaps with Portuguese agency workers. All of a sudden the factories had workers that worked out cheaper than the British (after adding together NI, Tax, Holidays, subsidised transport etc.)

At this time the egg factory I worked at (The largest in Europe) had 95% British, 5% migrant workforce.

The the Eastern block joined the EU and within 3 years It was 5% British, 95% migrant. The 5% British were management, QC etc, not shop floor!!!!

Why was this? Because in that time (just 3 years) the company reduced the wage rises which meant that by the end of that time the wage had been reduced to exactly the NWM. The subsidised transport was cancelled leaving people with a choice of sorting their own transport out or leaving. Those that already drove to work in car shares etc, were watched like hawks for any minute thing they could get a disciplined for until they could be sacked. After this had happened to quite a few the other Brits upped and left. No point waiting for the hammer to fall!!!

What is the government reply when this claim is made? They are not working for less, there is a NWM. Errm they are because the wages were previously higher than the NWM and now they are also not subsidising the transport.

Not only did they prefer the migrants because their 'agencies*' would deliver them in for free, They were now paying lower wages (compared to the higher than NWM before.) They now had a workforce that would work 7 days a week if required (illegal by EU law at the time, Don't know if it has changed) and back to back shifts (20 hours) if required (illegal by EU law at the time, Don't know if it has changed.) They either filled the 'opt out' of the max 48 hours rule or they didn't get a place on the van. Most of these were working 80-90 hours a week if required (not asked, they were informed)

* These were no longer agencies as in supplying agency workers because the companies had paid the fees to buy these workers from the agencies however the agencies were charging their former agency workers Â£20 a week to be delivered into the factory.

At this point I tol my wife she would be a housewife and was not paying any money to these crooks.

Luckily for me I do have these extra skills. I worked in that factory for 5 years after 2 redundancies left me pretty unambitious however I returned to the offices in my city on much more annual salary than I earned in the factory. Wish I hadn't needed to though because I really enjoyed working in that factory

So No it isn't a racist or bigotted thing to say. It is a truth. The way that the NWM is bandied about as evidence they aren't working for less is a falsehood and the fact that more are leaving the UK than are coming means nothing. If the skilled are leaving yet the migrants are taking unskilled jobs then it means there are more unskilled workers left on the scrap heap here in the UK.

Now they may well not want to work in those jobs and rightly so we are told that they will be made to work or lose their benefits however which jobs exactly are they going to be made to do? They are unskilled and the English companies don't want them. They have already shown that?

I assume from most of the comments on this above that many haven't seen this situation from my side of the coin. Of actually watching whilst your fellow nationals are gradually pushed out of their jobs in their own company to be replaced by a cheaper option.

I also bet you don't believe that I as a qualified accountant, someone who has had Â£40k a year jobs pre and post the factory job preferred that Â£12k a year (basic not inc O/T) factory job and would still be there now if all this hadn't happened.

As it is I have been hit like above and am now on the JSA wondering how to afford to survive on a measly Â£23k a year (JSA+benefits+child allowance+free fruit and veg vouchers.)

Quite nicely really Labour's free money give aways that broke the country (Tax Credits and benefits rises) are sitting quite nicely in my savings account. Why?

Because I do not have Sky, 50" plasma or leather couches. That is why people think the cost of living is high. because quite literally almost no-one in this country lives in poverty no matter what the NWM was supposed to have been brought in to do, That tax that I have paid heavily in the past was given away by Blair/Brown to people not for them buy vitals to survive but so they could pay their Â£30 a month mobile bill, Â£40 a month Sky bill and their Â£50 a month DFS bill (plus all the added extras like extreme energy usage for all manner of electrical goods.)

I now live on a council estate. I have never seen so many Brighthouse/Argos/Tesco Direct delivery vans, Never seen so many satellite dishes and they all leave the curtains open to show off the 50" plasma that they spend 16 hours a day watching!!! They even get taxis to the dole office and all their groceries delivered to their door!!!

How is any government going to force them to work or lose their benefits? Where are the jobs? If they were there then there would be more migrants coming over to get them I can assure you and my wife agrees that there are far too many migrants coming over!!!

I am setting my own business up now because 3 redundancies and a 'forced out' peeved me. I'll look after myself from now!!!

Rant Over

Remember I live in Farming country (Lincolnshire), low wages, very high percentage of manual work and not much in the way of high salary work.
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You are very, very boring

Number 1 Jasper · Dec 30, 2011

ThatThereSaintsFan said: ↑

Sorry my bad lets got back to football just felt I should speak out I would like jay rod or sordell, rumours are cameron jerome though.
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CAMERON .

**** me not a bloody TORY *

*

This is intended as a joke we now have POLITICS involved

ThatThereSaintsFan · Dec 30, 2011

Number 1 Jasper said: ↑

CAMERON .

**** me not a bloody TORY *

*

This is intended as a joke we now have POLITICS involved
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Think you needed that disclaimer! Else you'd have been slated!

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