Off Topic So, what now?

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oneforthebristolcity said:
The fact that she was a remainer never sat comfortably with me and was totally wrong IMO, but as a remainer, I'm not sure anyone else that springs to mind would have done any better..
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Yeah I totally agree, she just swung to whichever side was likely to give her the most power which is despicable. But I'm not convinced that anyone in her place could have got a much better deal to be honest.

What is unforgivable is her months of delaying the votes and then pushing them back through time and time again. We could be at the same point as we are now but 3 months ago instead.
 
Red Alert said:
Youv'e be calling out posters on here all thread. Always a dig despite in your first post???? Saying you would not be rude?? Remain haven't lied? Yes they did project fear was lies as you like to say fact only in this case its not an opinion like you post as facts, it really is a fact. they still lie.
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Both sides lied. But only one side has been fined multiple times for their lies and illegal goings on. So much so that the only reason it hasn't been taken further legally is because the referendum was not legally binding. If it had been legally binding, it's already been said that the referendum would have been thrown out as leave broke the law so many times in so many ways.
 
BCFCRob said:
If calling out prominent leaver politicians for being liars is arrogant and disrespectful then how do you really expect us to behave? Should we just be nice to them?

Anyways, a tiny part of me hopes we do leave without a deal next Friday. I mean, if it doesn't happen then we'll never know who was right <laugh>. At least the ensuing ****show in Parliament is quite entertaining.

Out of interest, regardless of your leanings, is there anyone in here that doesn't think May should resign?
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Rob it has become a joke,we must be the laughing stock of the world.:headbang::headbang::headbang:
 
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wizered said:
What an imature, self centered, spineless little twat, how can we trust a man that will sit down with Hezbolla, Hamas and the IRA but won't sit down with an ex member of his own party. https://news.sky.com/story/juvenile...er-independent-group-members-invited-11671274

Idiots on both sides of the divide, no wonder we are in **** street.
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Umnna should not have been there. It was a meeting for party leaders. He's not the leader of any political party. He's not even the leader of the so called 'independent group'.

Jeromy Corbyn had agreed to the meeting as part of points he raised in Prime Ministers questions. Tereasa May agreed to the agenda, changed it without consulting Corbyn and invited Chuka Umnna = She had already made her mind up and was not going to discuss the points that the meeting was originally going to attempt to address.
 
in his head he probably thinks he’s a pacifist who wants everyone in the world to get along - whilst a noble wish, it’s a hippy-esq dream that is so far from reality it belongs in a children’s book.
What he has actually been doing is appeasing criminals who bomb and shoot our citizens whilst snubbing and berating our own.
I’m amazed that he commands any votes at all.

May is absolutely awful for completely different reasons.

It’s all there for the Lib Dem’s taking - but where are they?!!!!!
 
A genuine, respectful and not a loaded question to my Brexiteer friends on here:-
- Given what we know now (and still don’t know too), do you actually care what type of Brexit we get (May’s deal or a ‘hard’ Brexit) - or not - as long as we leave (at any cost)??
Like I said; not a loaded question - just fishing for opinions.
 
I heart and soul want to leave the eu, we will prosper, trade and develop within what I think they call the 4th industrial revolution (Digital age) we won't have 4 freedoms, we will have all of the freedoms and we will decide what to do with them but still remain in Europe but not belong to Federal Europe.

Of course at the beginning we will have some ups and down with establishing different systems, industrial and domestic but we will have to learn to reconnect with established suppliers and expand our needs and opportunities with 70% of the rest of the globe,some costs and prices will rise and others will fall, what's new.

It will be great, anything made in Europe is made and available elsewhere, it might initially take a bit longer to arrive but that will soon be solved, do you honestly think Europe will allow the 5th largest market in the world to go elsewhere.

I would love to leave with a deal but if France and co wish to play hardball, **** them, we have to learn to stand on our own 2 feet and manage our own society and way of life, Fabulous.
 
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What Wiz said and I'd put up with rationing, as my parents did, just to be free of the EU.

No deal doesn't frighten me, if the French and the rest want to play hardball, then bring it on.

Christ, they have short memories.
 
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bcfcredandwhite said:
A genuine, respectful and not a loaded question to my Brexiteer friends on here:-
- Given what we know now (and still don’t know too), do you actually care what type of Brexit we get (May’s deal or a ‘hard’ Brexit) - or not - as long as we leave (at any cost)??
Like I said; not a loaded question - just fishing for opinions.
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Out. Stay in and its more of the same. this is the biggest opportunity this Country has had for decades to change itself for the better.

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problem with these petitions … i ve signed anyway … is that to really mean anything they must get more signatures than the original vote … and more.
the comment made to
day was that the 3m remain could easily be peeps that didn't vote last time /peeps that did vote last time are those voting! it doesn't prove those that voted leave have changed their mind
 
johngalleyfan2 said:
problem with these petitions … i ve signed anyway … is that to really mean anything they must get more signatures than the original vote … and more.
the comment made to
day was that the 3m remain could easily be peeps that didn't vote last time /peeps that did vote last time are those voting! it doesn't prove those that voted leave have changed their mind
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People who were not eligible to vote perhaps? Or people (like some I know) who couldn’t be arsed because they saw it as a foregone conclusion that ‘Remain’ would win maybe?
 
Genuine question, no malice meant, but as it's based on previous discussions. If you're signing that leave petition, fair enough, but I assume you accept the point regarding the open border? I.e. that it would allow unlimited illegal EU immigration, and if so, is that still worth it?
 
BCFCRob said:
Genuine question, no malice meant, but as it's based on previous discussions. If you're signing that leave petition, fair enough, but I assume you accept the point regarding the open border? I.e. that it would allow unlimited illegal EU immigration, and if so, is that still worth it?
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It's an open border now isn't it?
 
This is the most important political disaster since the second world war.
It has been created by the vacuum of voting in ignorance.
The public who voted were not ignorant and the politicians who provided the 'facts' were not ignorant.
BUT the facts presented were ignorant.
No-one could possibly judge what would happen if we voted Leave.
Many of us disliked many of the EU policies. But many of us realised that Britain as one the four or five 'cash cows' was not going to be given an easy exit by the poorer countries in EU membership.
So we finished up with a referendum which pretty much divided the country into three separate thirds.
Before anyone jumps. We are constantly presented with a convenient mis-fact.
Only 52 percent of those who voted, voted Leave. This number represents 37 percent of those who were available to vote (45.5 million). So it wasn't a majority by any stretch of the imagination.
It is also clear that the deal on the table is not acceptable. I read somewhere that less than a third of MPs actually believe Brexit is a good idea.(just hearsay).
So why is it so difficult to ask Joe Public to review his/her view as to whether, with much greater knowledge of the consequences, they still wish to proceed.
It seems an anathemas that Mrs May can have three votes to bully her motion through Parliament, but a much better informed public cannot be permitted to have a say in that same decision.
 
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