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  1. King Curtis

    King Curtis Well-Known Member

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    Well said, I said another thread Barmby needs to swallow his pride and change things when they aren't working, part of being a manager is realising when things are going wrong and changing them. I think long term he will be a good manager for us, he could do with someone with experience alongside him to point these things out to him and guide him through this learning curve. I was critical the other week of Chelsea for sacking AVB, another young manager starting out and making mistakes due to inexperience. Things may take time but hopefully people's patience will bear fruit. Everyone will be disappointed at how our season looks to be concluding but with shortcomings hopefully rectified over the summer we'll hopefully come back stronger next season.
     
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  2. RicardoHCAFC

    RicardoHCAFC Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    We've already tried both of those, under Brown and Dolan respectively.
     
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  3. DJBlackandamberarmy(No4)

    DJBlackandamberarmy(No4) Well-Known Member

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    neither formation work for us without koren, he is the key to it all, nobody likes to admit it, but we are pretty much a 1 man attacking force..
    look back at every goal we have scored and i bet he is majorly involved in 80/90 % he is the only one that can pass forwards for starters....
     
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  4. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    He is I've always said that aswell I mean just look back at some recent results we've actually scored in, was involved with all 3 against Bristol scored one assisted 2, directly assisted one and pretty much created the 2nd (did all but the final pass to chezzy) that we scored against Cardiff, scored against Ipswich, I'm too tired to think of anything else but yeah he's heavily involved in almost every goal.
     
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  5. merchantman5

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    None of our strikers are capable of playing the lone striker which is why it should be changed
     
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  6. juleskaren

    juleskaren Well-Known Member

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    Reading through all these posts a lot of people are pinning their hopes on getting a couple of players next season but what I worry about is how many of our current squad we will have left next season. Someone on another thread said that Koren wants out at the end of the season and it might be hard to hold on to our young ones when other teams come after them. I can see us having to start from scratch again and if Burns is right and there isn't any or much money we could be on a downward spiral. I am grateful the Allams have put money into the club but Mr Allam wants to run it like any other business and football just isn't like any other business. For the first time this season I am not looking forward to going to watch on Saturday I'm dreading it.
     
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  7. hu7tiger

    hu7tiger Active Member

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    Burnsy said last night that teams have been looking at chester i wonder who else is on other teams radar .As for the Allams even if they didnt know what a chance has been wasted their is plenty in the camp that did .Surly adam pearson could see how close we were same goes for nicky.
     
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  8. mostynthecat

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    Barmby needs a second transfer window - the winter one is a waste of time, as noone seems to want to do business. Perhaps a new assistant manager is needed to assist Barmby
     
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  9. WhittlingStick

    WhittlingStick Well-Known Member

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    Re Barmby , i dont think it naivety , i think he is more hamstringed by the fact he was recently a player in the squad he now has to manage.
    He will no doubt still feel part of the strikers/forwards union - in the knowlage that a player needs to know the manager has the confidence in his squad
    and chopping and changing formations doesnt always help.

    Just a thought - looking at our squad it does seem strong but the problem is no real evidence Barmby has a Plan B
     
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  10. Party Hull!

    Party Hull! Well-Known Member

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    This is the main problem.

    It'd be nice to think our only issue is bringing players in on top of what we have, but it isn't.

    Stewart, Chester, Koren...maybe Rosenior. I think our biggest fight is stopping those lot walking away.
     
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  11. jayc89

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    We dont want to be back on the manager merry-go-round. Give Barmby till Christmas I say, if we aren't anywhere near after he has had a full preseason with HIS players, then its time to take action - IMO
     
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  12. BigotAlertAnalRimMan

    BigotAlertAnalRimMan New Member

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    Let's not forget Barmby stepped in mid season... he deserves a lot more time and patience from us. He has done a decent job from trying to sustain any momentum from a sudden managerial departure which would affect any club.
    He has my entire support for another 2 years.
     
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  13. Amin Arrears

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    My mate who's die hard evertonian thinks theyve been scouting Chester all season.
     
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  14. RicardoHCAFC

    RicardoHCAFC Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    It will be from next season onwards when clubs have to be operating within the Financial Fair Play rules.
     
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  15. Putter65

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    Didn't Ricky Lambert only cost a million ?

    Like all transfers you have to be a bit lucky.

    I wouldn't pay a fiver for Stewart. In hindsight, we should have sold him in January.
     
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  16. PLT

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    Our goals scored in the 2 games without Koren haven't been any worse than with him in the team. The only difference is we've conceded 2 goals in both games and I think given Koren's irrelevance to defensive matters we can probably put that down to coincidence. When a player gets injured it's very easy to blame it all on him when you lose but we were messing it up long before then. It certainly isn't all about Koren it's the team.
     
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  17. City1904

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    The 4-6-0 does work well on FM........

    Anyway i like the 4-2-3-1 mainly due to watching Swansea and QPR play it last year, Barcelona etc.... or any foreign team that use i have probably not seen as i dislike most foreign football bar bundesliga. I haven't bought it to much i think i defend it to much as i am a huge Nick Barmby fan, and i really really want it to work. I am not naive in thinking it hasn't worked as it did work at the start but isn't currently. I think the problem is we are missing 2/3 players to play it, and without Koren we don't have the midfield to play a 4-4-2, and i think we are better served sticking with it than changing formation mid season.

    I may go OTT on it, but thats due to me wanting it to work badly.
     
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  18. DJBlackandamberarmy(No4)

    DJBlackandamberarmy(No4) Well-Known Member

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    in many games this season despite not scoring, we have wasted many chances as you know, in the last 2 and a half we have created 2/3 chances altogether at best, so we are not even doing that at the minute...it is no coincidence, your not going to score with a team full of blokes who can only pass sideways, and who wont shoot, twice last night brady had the ball 25 yards out with a bit of space, the crowd where shouting for him to shoot both times, and both times it got passed sideways, it shouldnt all be about 1 bloke at this level, but for me it is, hes the catalyst for most good attacks, and without him there we look lost.
     
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  19. PLT

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    I'm not critising you or anything I've just noticed a few times you've made that point about 4-4-2 being outdated which I strongly disagree with. I've got no problem with you stating your opinion as much as you like, but I will always point out when I disagree.

    I'm sure the formation does work well for some teams but the key thing to remember IMO is that jut because two teams play the same formation doesn't mean they play it in the same way. Swansea do the tippy-tappy stuff like us but eventually they get into the opponent's half, drag players about and create chances. We are nowhere near as effective at it as they are and it's a difficult thing to do. My own opinion is that it'd be much easier to just have 2 proper strikers and 2 proper wingers. Last season we played this most of the time and all we really lacked was some quality from midfield. We have that quality now with the likes of Brady, Stewart and King so it'd be nice to see it all working together in a proper attacking sense. I don't like this idea of leaving more and more players back in our half when we attack: firstly it's boring and secondly we're losing with it. McLean and Fryatt have at times been a good partnership for us. Better than Fryatt on his own anyway.

    That's a fair point, but making chances to miss is no better than not making them at all really. I think if others problems are sorted out there are players available who can make things happen. The likes of Brady and King can create chances.
     
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  20. Tony Angelino

    Tony Angelino Well-Known Member

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    yes they did, i think adam pearson said only a week or 2 ago that city had the chance to sign him but chose ben burgess instead
     
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