So endeth the speculation

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This is what infuriates me about laudrup, He is more concerned about upsetting Ki's chances of a possible cup final and disrupting sunderland because he is a star performer for them...I don't get that as what about us his parent club who in his words are decapitated with injuries and have to call up inexperienced players to the bench...He is wrong here as he should be worrying about us not a rival team as we are at the bottom fighting a relegation battle also....my opinion..
 
The whole point of having 22/23 senior players in the squad was so that there was a chance for the youngsters.....say, in an injury crisis....to make the bench.
As Laudrup stated this is only likely to happen once or twice in a season.

This is the chance the likes of Cornell, Zabret, Jazz, Alfei (if he was still here), Situ, Lucas, Gorre, Gwion Edwards and Donnelly deserve....otherwise what is the point of developing them.

It seems to me the same people who will moan about our bench Saturday (and the non recall of Ki specifically) are the same people who say we need to do more to find the next Ben Davies and demand that Donnelly be given his chance....


If any of the Swansea youngsters are reading....here's that chance boys.
If 1 or 2 of you get on you make sure you take it or die trying.
 
A baptism of fire if the likes of Donnelly e.g. come on the pitch Saturday but if needs must then so be it Jazz wasn't the finished product when he deputised for Rangel but he fitted in and did a job for the team , as Hanson once famously stated" you won't win anything with youngsters " that was proved wrong wasn't it. …I can understand the manager considering Ki's predicament regarding a final ,would he be committed to our cause at the expense of his own personal needs ?, thats when the manger takes into the player's personality as one factor to consider ,whats the point of playing someone who has no desire to be there on the pitch.We don't know the full story on whether Ki was to come back during this season ,he may have been written off as a player to be considered for a return to the club whilst the current manger was still here .
 
So hopefully Sunderland lose heavily to United at Old Trafford and then we can bring him back. I don't really care about what Ki thinks. It's a dog-eat-dog league and currently Sunderland have built their new style around Ki. Ki signed a contract with Swansea City and taking him off them would certainly derail them for a period of time.

Unfortunately, due to our own failings we have to view Sunderland as a genuine lower third of the table rival right now. While we only play them twice a season, it's rare that we ever get an opportunity to inflict damage on a rival club in this way. We should take it.
 
I don't understand the "take him back to derail Sunderland" argument. If we do that, it's one less relegation place to worry about. However, by keeping him at Sunderland they are more likely to win the games in the mini league around them which could help us pull away from the whole group.
Why bring a player back who probably doesn't want to come back for a bit part with us, so probably wouldn't be much use anyway
 
I don't think Laudrup is the type of manager to use a player in that rather vindictive way, though I see the argument for it. Regardless of what we think it appears as if he cares about his players even if they are on loan and he should be commended for that but the bottom line is that he doesn't actually rate him that highly.

Personally I like Ki but although he's an elegant player I'm not convinced he actually creates enough. A good passer of the ball and will have a pop at goal now and again but the stats don't lie - for all his good work at the Mackems he's had zero assists and scored just one goal which is one more than he did for us. A nice option to bring off the bench is obviousy the way Laudrup sees Ki.

the good news is that his reuctance to recall him means that our injury situation will be resolved soon.
 
kidders my sentiment exactly. We should look after number one here and not let them in the relegation battle with us keep one of their best players. Even if we do put him on the bench its better than giving our rivals an opportunity to use one of our players who is doing well for them. Laudrup does come out with some bizarre decisions sometimes.
 
I watched him v Utd on Tuesday and to be honest he was steady but I couldn't see why the mackems were raving about him ,he didn't create an awful lot.Granted that was the only game that I've watched in full but I would imagine the club have been monitoring the situation with him and that the conclusion they've come to, is we don't need him.
 
"I don't understand the "take him back to derail Sunderland" argument. If we do that, it's one less relegation place to worry about. However, by keeping him at Sunderland they are more likely to win the games in the mini league around them which could help us pull away from the whole group."

Unfortunately, Sunderland only get to play the teams down the bottom twice as well. Alone, they will not be the reason for us to "pull away from the whole group".

I'll explain my viewpoint in a bit more detail for you. The way that I personally see it is that there are 3 clearly poor teams right now in the Premier League. Fulham, West Ham and Sunderland. Fulham and West Ham are exceptionally bad and are taking drubbings. Crystal Palace have a new lease of life. West Brom and Cardiff just installed new managers and may enjoy a honeymoon period (yet to be seen). While there are 3 very poor teams, Sunderland are the one with potential right now. They are building and steadily improving into a better playing style which will benefit them later in the season. Take out their heartbeat and that could set them back a month or two. Fatal when you see their place in the table right now. 3 poor teams that aren't us means 3 relegated teams that aren't us. I don't for a second think that we will get relegated (presently), but while we have a chance to affect it, I think we should. That's my view on it anyway. Let him have his game at Old Trafford first though. My viewpoint hinges on that result anyway, so I'll zip-it until then!
 
Like I said kidderz I see that argument but I'm not convinced Ki is their 'heartbeat'. He doesn't actually create that much. I think their recent improvement is more down to Poyet's ability as a manager and if they stay up it'll be down to that more than Ki's presence. Pulling him out may hurt them yes, but does it make relegation more likely? Don't think so.
 
bigkidderz said:
"I don't understand the "take him back to derail Sunderland" argument. If we do that, it's one less relegation place to worry about. However, by keeping him at Sunderland they are more likely to win the games in the mini league around them which could help us pull away from the whole group."

Unfortunately, Sunderland only get to play the teams down the bottom twice as well. Alone, they will not be the reason for us to "pull away from the whole group".

I'll explain my viewpoint in a bit more detail for you. The way that I personally see it is that there are 3 clearly poor teams right now in the Premier League. Fulham, West Ham and Sunderland. Fulham and West Ham are exceptionally bad and are taking drubbings. Crystal Palace have a new lease of life. West Brom and Cardiff just installed new managers and may enjoy a honeymoon period (yet to be seen). While there are 3 very poor teams, Sunderland are the one with potential right now. They are building and steadily improving into a better playing style which will benefit them later in the season. Take out their heartbeat and that could set them back a month or two. Fatal when you see their place in the table right now. 3 poor teams that aren't us means 3 relegated teams that aren't us. I don't for a second think that we will get relegated (presently), but while we have a chance to affect it, I think we should. That's my view on it anyway. Let him have his game at Old Trafford first though. My viewpoint hinges on that result anyway, so I'll zip-it until then!
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My point is that if we do get relegated, it will probably only be by the odd point. If Ki is having any impact (which is obviously debatable) then taking the odd points off the teams around the bottom 3 would surely be favourable for us. Didn't Ki provide the assist that cost Cardiff 2 points?
When we play Sunderland again away, he won't be allowed to play so that will disrupt them if he does have that much of an impact on them
 
There are obviously issues between Ki and Laudrup and he is merely being diplomatic in his reasons for not recalling him from Sunderland. Whatever reasons he has we must back Laudrups judgement on this matter, after all he his much closer to the situation than us. Regarding his failure to play our younger players, he obviously thinks they are not ready or good enough at present. I watch the under21's regularly and there are no stand out players there at present. He spotted Ben Davies as soon as he arrived here and was not afraid to give him his chance. A player and manager of Laudrup's pedigree should and will inevitably make the right decisions.
 
Pete from Crete said:
All this talk of a relegation ! Be positive a long way to go yet.
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I agree. I'm only mentioning it as others are using it for a reason to recall someone who we won't use.
I think we'll be fine, and don't see why we need to worry about Sunderland escaping the bottom 3. In fact I hope they do, I'd much prefer to see cardiff, west ham and stoke go down <ok>

Just personal preference :D
 
SSwansea won't be relegated, not for sports reasons. Maybe if the club's finances suddenly melt down. We don't play as relegation candidates do. ML spoke of the faith and confidence in the squad internally. A squad like this doesn't relegate, injury-ridden or not...
 
Danny Murphy and other pundits have dismissed us being in a real relegation fight come May as we have too much quality. You never know because it's so tight right now but I'd like to think he's right.
 
I did tell you last month that Ki returning is a non starter, as others have said, it wasn't exactly a secret either! I know KJ took the piss about it not being fact but just a rumor I'd heard of a friends friends cousins sisters auntie but As the level headed on here know I don't rumor monger or bullshit.

Sometimes people hear things ,Swansea is a small town so it's not like extracting secrets from NASA !

I look forward to KJ acknowledging my past posts on this matter.

Laudrup didn't want him back ,doesn't like his attitude ,the rest is just window dressing for the media,laudrup doesn't like big time char lies and Ki is one of those <ok>

If we are completely decimated by midfield injuries then anything is possible but myself and many others called this one ages ago ;)
 
You have got to go on what sunderland themselves say about Ki and they say he has been their best player for two months running and has also been MoM on a few occasions, so he is a very important player for them and as one of our rivals then we should halt that and don't worry about what Ki wants or don't want....Sunderland have the opportunity now to buy him and if he is that much of a value to them then lets see some money or he should be brought back to his parent club rather than helping them try and send us down....
 
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