Let's face it, the 'jury' will be be out until we either win or lose a few. Win and he'll be 'Our Gus', lose and 'he's tactically naive', 'lost the dressing room' or any one of the usual bollocks that people trot out.
We need to give him time. Let's face it, We've now got plenty of players who can pass and retain the ball. Roberge, Ki, Giacc, Colback, Altidore, Fletch, even Catts appears to have improved his passing (probably improved under Paolo's methods even though he was 'banished' according to those who believe it without proof). But there's still a large chunk of the squad who are 'footballers' who can't pass a ball. So he needs time to get the best out of them and move the ****e on before he can fully implement his philosophy. Just hope some of the impatient knackers can stick with it instead of piling unhelpful pressure on him.
Aye same here mate but never really considered Zola as he more or less said he didn't want it. Either Meulensteen or Poyet in that order but happy with what we have now.
I believe we'll give Poyet a great welcome at Swansea and the SOL ..... whatever the case he's our manager and we really need him to come good and make us proud. Strange that he should have been handed a derby at the start of his Sunderland reign, perhaps a win would give him a few matches leeway even in the eyes of the most cynical supporters.
Even if he gets the derby win, how long till folk start getting his back if we don't suddenly storm up the league to safety? And how patient will Ellis be? Gus is going to need two or three windows to get the right players to fully implement his philosophy and that's if the board play ball in these windows. He'll get a great welcome no doubt about it. but how long until fat unreasonable fans jump from their seats and confront Gus and the bench, or how long until the players turn on poyets discipline methods? I understand he's also strict in how he wants players to conduct themselves. Probably not to Paolo's extent, but there will be no free rides and we all know how much a certain section of the squad love and expect a free ride.
These players really worry me. When all said and done what was the worst thing DI Canio did ..... ask them to commit, to train, to play to his instructions? If seasoned pros can start twisting to the club because 'Paulo said nasty things about us' then we're ****ed and so is Poyet.
That's just it though isn't it? we just don't know what went on. All we have is JOS's account of what happened or why he wasn't happy. I was all for PDC coming in and shaking them up, getting them fit and getting them to work their socks off, that's great if its done the right way. If it's done the wrong way then you may as well call it quits cos it's never going to work. There's a big difference between being heavy handed and just being a ****. I guess we'll never know the truth.
They worry me too. Most of them only have 1 year left and the others have 2. If Ellis has anything about him he's already decided that a new contract is unwinnable for them and will be setting up cut price deals in January to disperse them. The worrying thing is they've got time to take us down and walk away free at the end of the season, probably to newly promoted premiership teams. The overpaid fops. Tell you what Smug, my memory isn't that short and it will take a hell of a lot more than a winning streak to make me forget how they've disrespected and used our club to get at a manager. There's only Colback I'd keep out of those expiring.
Me too. Jack has the love of the club at heart and will soon forget the likes of O'Shea once they're gone. I never want to see his like at this club ever again. He's the modern version of Bob Moncur who did nowt but point & shout.
True, we don't know what happened. But we do know that 3 times we've seen these players doing adequate jobs only for mistakes to increase and efforts drop, followed shortly after by manager dismissals. They were capable of a tenth place finish under bruce, yet bruce was sacked just 13 games into the following season with the team looking like different and completely inadequate players. Low and behold, MoN comes in and they look decent again, we stay up and by the time next christmas comes, though struggling in the final third, we've got one of the best defences in the league outside the top 3. 12 games later MoN is sacked and we're leaking goals like no ones business. Queue Paulo and surprise surprise games are raised we stay up, first game of the season against Fulham and we push the ball about like masters. 5 games later he's sacked with the players showing nothing of their first game. Paolo didn't help himself but the players didn't have to prove their point on the pitch and jeopardize our club. They could have consulted their union and formed a complaint to the board like real working men would do. We've been told since his sacking, despite nobody knowing anything for sure, that there's no smoke without fire. So why can't folk apply the same sense to why the same players have forced 3 managers out but suddenly by rapidly reducing the quality of performance on the pitch, then instantly raising it for a new manager. We have a terrible cliquey player power problem at the club. I think it's blatant to see. Gus really has his work cut out this season and I hope Ellis will stick with him weather we go down or not because most of those ****ers won't be here anymore as I was looking at Poyets long term benefits when I backed him in my top 3. People say that's football these days and we're not the only club with player power problems. It's wrong and can not, will not just accept it as 'just part of the modern game'. This is no dig at you fella, just a passionate rant at some of the ****ers playing for our club.
No worries mate and I wasn't trying to defend the players either, you're right, they are a bunch of lazy twats and PDC was right to shove a rocket up their arses. I'll never forget the sight of Larsson losing the ball at home to Norwich in their half and they were down to ten men as well. The lazy **** threw his arms in the air like a stuck up school kid having a tantrum and then just walked slowly back to the halfway line leaving our defence to scramble around trying to get the ball back. He's lucky I was up in the stands and not in the dug out mate. I'd have dragged the lazy ****er off. Anyway, rant over. The point I was trying to make is that it doesn't matter who the players are, you could have the best set of players in the world but if the manager doesn't know how to handle them then he's ****ed. I reckon Gus does and this time next year we'll be looking at a different squad and the old guard will be gone.
Isn`t the answer very simple though Bri? GP plays the new blokes ie the ones brought in for his type of play. They have the points to prove. Keep the ones who have something to offer and are trying ie Catts, Colback, Gards. Sideline the rest and get rid at the earliest opportunity. That seems sensible to me.
Even if that means reducing their value in the next window. It would cost more to 'put them in the shop window' and have us relegated by the spineless wasters. The more I see of the players the more I can see why Di Canio embarked on his course of action, he must have been horrified at the endemic apathy within the club.
IF the rumours are true about tighter purse strings. I fear the worst. And that is that, the same old senior players will take small pay cuts to ride out the rest of their **** careers here. To the ongoing detriment to the team.
Absolutely Smug. imo they are worth practically nothing now. Brown, Cuellar, O`Shea, Vaughan? Very little market value. Might get a few quid for Larsson but that`s about it.
Mancini would have been great but would have wanted big some of money. Also what the hell is wrong with Wes brown is he soft or something or did he have a leg transplant !.
Defo mate, those in their last year anyway. What we'd save in wages collectively would dwarf their value anyway imo. Even if we had to slightly supplement their wages for six months at their new club. I firmly beleive we've got money to spend but not enough space in the wage budget. Cut price deals on all of them if you ask me. We'll still make profit on most of them as so many were free. Vaughan 500k- profit Cuellar 100k- profit Seb 1m-profit Bardo 500k-loss Ji 1.5m- loss Good riddance to the lot of em, they've either taken the piss and/or just not good enough. Westwood and Gardner would get till the end of the season to prove they're worthy. Free some wages and get some lads in who know how to kick a football.
Mancini couldn't get some of the priciest players in the world playing like a team at City, and was given the boot. His chances of getting our overpaid **** to play would have been beyond reasoning.
