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Probably wouldn't care as we would have got a half season from him and we couldn't afford his wages on contract anyway. We'd just get ourselves a nice cheap(ish) striker. People really shouldn't make situations more complicated than they are.
1. probably (almost certainly) not going to happen.
2. if it did, we wouldn't be interested in swapping Virgil.
I agree it probably won't happen, but it's isn't ridiculous to the point where it's not worth discussing.
As for swapping virgil, nobody has mentioned that as a possibility have they? Never going to happen.
 
Why do you think we will sell him if he still has 5 years left on his contract?
What would be the advantages of doing that as opposed to waiting til he has 2 or at least 3 years on his contract?

I don't read anything into the length of his remaining contract, in terms of what his remaining time with us will actually be. I just see it as a way of ensuring that we get the best price possible for him, avoiding a Wanyama/Clyne type situation.

We've got history of selling our players when, I presume, our market valuation of them is met. The possible exception to that may have Morgan, when it may have been us putting our foot down that particular summer and saying enough is enough, it's getting stupid now. But ignoring that, we seem to sell when the right price is offered. And Virgil is so good, and so many top teams could do with improving their CB positions, that teams would be stupid not to offer us such a price. I'm just interested as to what that price is. I pray that it's £50m+, but I really do fear that we'd accept £35m - £40m. What I think his market value is might not align with what the club think.
 
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Also an interesting point r.e Daniel Sturridge.

If this loan deal with future fee of £25m is legit and goes ahead, then things could be slightly awkward come summer. If Liverpool come in for Van Dijk and we refuse (which we would), could this lead them to playing hard-ball with Sturridge?

Massively more likely that we will sell them VVD, and they won't sell us Sturridge. Imagine they would refuse to sell us Sturridge FIRST, followed by us selling VVD to them.

However, I don't think we will sell VVD, but if he did go there, it would almost certainly happen like that.
 
I don't read anything into the length of his remaining contract, in terms of what his remaining time with us will actually be. I just see it as a way of ensuring that we get the best price possible for him, avoiding a Wanyama/Clyne type situation.

We've got history of selling our players when, I presume, our market valuation of them is met. The possible exception to that may have Morgan, when it may have been us putting our foot down that particular summer and saying enough is enough, it's getting stupid now. But ignoring that, we seem to sell when the right price is offered. And Virgil is so good, and so many top teams could do with improving their CB positions, that teams would be stupid not to offer us such a price. I'm just interested as to what that price is. I pray that it's £50m+, but I really do fear that we'd accept £35m - £40m. What I think his market value is might not align with what the club think.
We do have history of selling when market value is met. But we also have a history of only selling when they have 2 years remaining on their contract. Let's hope the board stand firm.
 
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Fully expecting him to be sold to Liverpool next summer for about 30 million

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In many interviews Les Reed has referred to us as a 'showcase' club , a club that provides players with a good standing in the premier league, then sells them on to your Liverpool's and Man uniteds of this world.

Now im not silly enough to think that Saints will be able to keep hold of players indefinitely but the likes of Leicester , Stoke and Everton all of similar sort of size seem to be able to say 'No' to the clubs that want their players.

The casing point is Virgil Van Dijk , signed to a 6 year contract but reports everywhere suggest that the above clubs will snap him up. Surely there is a time where if Saints want to be successfull in this league they need to stop selling to rivals.

If Barca come in with a huge offer for Van Dijk then fair enough but to roll over and get our bellies tickled by Liverpool again will anger a lot of fans.

Van Dijk is the best defender we've had in my memory and we have him tied down for 6 years , maybe this january or summer its time to really invest in the team and maybe just maybe we might be able to keep him.

Its all about ambition now, i like Reed and think hes done a great job but its time to push on and show players like Van Dijk that the club wants to win things.

Thoughts.....
It's a good question you ask. I, myself have had the same question rolling around in my head for quite some time, waiting for a sound explanation to pop out. I think it's about attitude, from the club, its supporters, and also the media. And that's a slow thing to change. The club have been trying in a measured way since they were taken over. The majority of supporters have been surpisingly slow, in my opinion, to wake up, never quite realising the ambitions the club has. They have almost caught up now, maybe. The media are stuck in their old hierarchy. Southampton sell. It was ever thus - post McMenemy. It doesn't need to be like that. As I said, it's a slow process. How does that explain Leicester, Stoke and Everton.? Leicester and Stoke are similar clubs and have been subject to player raiding. Everton used to be in the top hierarchy, along with the likes of Aston Villa. But the times they are a-changing, along with attitudes. As Saints supporters we're being impatient for that change, and rightly so. That's as it should be.
 
Fully expecting you to be wrong.

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Intrigued to know who the players for whom Stoke have turned down big money from top clubs are.

Ditto Everton. I suppose one could be John St... oh.

Leicester actually lost N'golo Kante, and almost Vardy. Ditto Mahrez - it was just that the UCL enabled them to throw £100k+/- per week salaries at them.

It's the way of the world, you can hold on to them a season or so longer, but they go eventually.
 
Intrigued to know who the players for whom Stoke have turned down big money from top clubs are.

Ditto Everton. I suppose one could be John St... oh.

Leicester actually lost N'golo Kante, and almost Vardy. Ditto Mahrez - it was just that the UCL enabled them to throw £100k+/- per week salaries at them.

It's the way of the world, you can hold on to them a season or so longer, but they go eventually.
You can hold on to them for as long as their contract states, it's just good business to sell them rather force them to run the contract down. Hence why we tend to sell with 2 years remaining. This nonsense about "contracts mean nothing" is exactly that. Contracts mean whatever the board decide they mean - it is down to the board to judge each situation individually. Our board have (so far) made the right decision pretty much everytime. Let's hope this continues with Van Dijk.
 
If you really want a melt down subject.....consider this....... A ban will be put on any Saints player leaving until after the take over. Then the new owner will sell as many players as he can so he can recoup his 200 million . Then we will probably be back slowly to the lower leagues.....so we start again............?
Ok I'll get me coat......
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Look at the players Stoke buy. They usually buy the players that have been at the big clubs and it didn't work out. So of course they will be able to keep them longer (and the fact they pay bigger wages).

We buy players from the small teams or leagues that want to advance to the next stage.
 
If VVD goes to any club that doesn't begin with Bar and end with Celona, I would be very disappointed with us and him.
He is too good for the top English clubs.
 
If VVD goes to any club that doesn't begin with Bar and end with Celona, I would be very disappointed with us and him.
He is too good for the top English clubs.
Chelsea or United I reckon.