Should Hanging be re-instated!

i'm just upset, Roo, that you forgot about me!

 

Welcome Saxet to not606

 

I don't think Roo has quite worked out that this is not the BBC and that here football is the thread we have in common but that these boards allow general chit chat - for those bored at work or us "grumpy old men in remote locations" it is this or shag the sheep - and so far..........

Oh and Roo if the thread is about Hanging - then responses about hanging are not off topic

 

Saxet is your business in Texas in or related to the oil industry?

 

I'm not sure that the real issue is whether or not hanging would be a deterrent. For those who profess to be against bringing back capital punishment on the grounds that it doesn't act as a deterrent, I can only say that jail and its rehabilitation programmes don't appear to be doing a particularly good job either - worse if anything.

IMO the real issues are 1) would having capital punishment ensure that justice is being seen to be done, and 2) would having capital punishment make society a safer and better place to be.

Personally, I'd answer 'yes' to both. I for one am fed up with reading media reports along the lines of ' defendant X was convicted of murder/rape in 2006 and sentenced to 12 years, then re-offended in 2010'. That's neither justice being done nor society being made safe - it's nothing more than lawyers making money and statistical boxes being ticked.

 

Nope not oil Norway. For some reason Brits in the oil industry don't seem that popular along the Gulf coast at the moment. Can't think why.

Software applications development is my curse of a career.

 

SAD eh?

 

Very good Leo! I reckon you will need to go to the fish oil shop soon
Saxet does that mean you can help my mother with her new smart phone

 

Hanging re-instated, it nearly never went away. There were two offences where if found guilty the accused could be executed arson in a naval dockyard where the death penalty was removed in 1971 and high teason when life improsonment became the maximum tariff in 1998.

Surely there are criminal acts that do deserve the perpetrator loose their life.

 

Don't start me................oops too late!

Murder, rape, child sex abuse, terrorism, human trafficking.............

Had thought of including supporting L*t*n but, thankfully, there's a remarkable decrease evident recently - may be a self-eradicating crime.

 

It would drive crime rates up because murder is a crime.

 

No it wouldn't - one of the four elements of common law murder is that the act be unlawful. A sentence of death passed by a court of law can't be unlawful, therefore can't be deemed to be murder, therefore can't be deemed to be a crime.

 

It depends if you conflate the ideas of 'crime' and 'law'. For me, crime is something that is immoral, law is an imprecise series of rules made by politicians which does not reflect right and wrong.

 

Maybe so, but the key words against your argument are 'for me'. Society simply couldn't function if everyone within made their own decisions on what was moral/immoral, right/wrong, permissable/unpermissable and acted accordingly. That series of rules, imprecise or not, is needed for everyone to follow.

 

Society

 

My problems with it are
1 untrustworthy police force means unsafe convictions
2 as rapes commonly occur with the victim knowing the attacker then the likelihood of the victim being then murdered would greatly increase if the attacker thought he would be identified and hung as a rapist
3 over the years how many innocent people have been charged with crimes and later freed,surely it's not worth taking the risk of hanging innocent people whatever the cost

 

1. The police should be there to both help and be helped. Unfortunately, it is currently fashionable for the public to hinder rather than help, as is the case with self-serving lawyers. Perhaps a mindset change by both would lead to a more trustworthy police force.

2. Doesn't want to be hung as a rapist but is happy to be hung as a murderer?

3. It appears to be perfectly acceptable to numerous governments during so-called wars. Known as collateral damage. Alternatively, over the years how many guilty people have been released early only to re-offend? Is it worth taking the risk that more innocent people suffer/die needlessly?

 

Thats it off with all your heads

 

That was the guillotine Roo

 

I only have one!