Got to point out that the same is true of the Christian and Jewish holy books. And I the persistent support for Evans makes it sound like you have no respect fort women or the law.
Got to point out that the same is true of the Christian and Jewish holy books. And the persistent support for Evans makes it sound like you have no respect for women or the law. From the Old Testament (Jewish and Christian and to a degree Muslim) Unmarried women were not allowed to leave the home of their father without permission. Married women were not allowed to leave the home of their husband, without permission. They were normally restricted to roles of little or no authority. They could not testify in court. They could not appear in public venues. They were not allowed to talk to strangers. They had to be doubly veiled when they left their homes. Allowing one's daughters to be sexually assaulted by multiple rapists appears to be treated as a minor transgression, because of the low status of the young women. (Lot & the Angels) Genesis 19:8 A slaveowner was permitted to give a woman to his male slave as a wife. There is no indication that women were consulted during this type of transaction. After serving six years, he would leave, but his wife and children would remain slaves of the slaveowner. Exodus 21:2-4 Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." A father could sell his daughter as a slave. Even though a male slave is automatically given his freedom after 6 years, a female slave remained a slave forever. Judges 19:16-30 describes an event similar to Genesis 19. Some men in the city wanted to "know" a visiting Levite. The owner of the house offered his virgin daughter and the Levite's concubine so that the men could rape them. Verse 24 states: "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing." The man sent his own concubine outside to the gang, who proceeded to serially rape her. She died of the attacks. The man only learned of her death when he was leaving the house in the morning and stumbled across her body. The woman was clearly considered expendable and of little value. New Testement - take on board al the above and all the other bits I left out and add - “….and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be sensible, chaste, domestic, kind, and submissive to their husbands, that the word of God may not be discredited…. Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect…” Titus 2:4-9 any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head …For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair …For a man ought not to cover his head; since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.)” 1 Corinthians 11:2-10 Take as an example the action of the brave crusader knights whose, '..... wars sunk Europe into the throes of virtual chaos. Villages were regularly sacked. The men were killed, the women were raped, the children were sold into slavery and all the plunder that could be taken was taken.' Just a few examples - not saying that Islam is any better just that they are all the same ... just different periods in the development of their religion.
rape must not be tolerated by anyone male or female. those who commit such crimes are the lowest of the low and deserve everything that will most surly come their way....
Bob: "Got to point out that the same is true of the Christian and Jewish holy books." Never said it didn't. As an atheist I am highly critical of all religion, though it's surely obvious to everyone that Islam is the only one that persists in this modern age with such antiquated notions that include women wearing dehumanising sacks in public. As you rightly say, that religion is younger and therefore at a different stage of development. "...the persistent support for Evans makes it sound like you have no respect for women or the law". Don't be a simpleton. I worked as a criminal barrister for almost 30 years. I have also said that the jury verdict was unusual but I have conceded that I didn't hear all of the case as I wasn't in court, and that we have to respect the verdict until it is overturned, if ever. So where exactly to I evince a disrespect for the law? Secondly, I take offence at your assertion that I don't respect women. You don't know me and you don't know what I believe, but if you know my history here I've often had a rant about Islam and in particular about the way that religion treats gays and women. But I'm not going to defend myself to a post that's calculated to rile so if you could just point me to any one of my posts where I show any disrespect to women I'd be grateful. If you can't do so please be adult enough to apologise.
There are many flaws in your above post, and while I do not wish to waste my time correcting your ignorance, I will indulge you this one time, firstly you are Quoting Genesis? How long ago did those events happen? 6000 years ago? what were we doing in Britannia 6000 years ago? and by the way those that did that despicable deed perished when the whole city was destroyed because of their lawlessness, I'm sure you know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah. secondly you quote Judges 19:16-30, and only give part of the narrative of what happened, you fail to provide the full context of what happened, and you failed to give background information regarding the Israelite religious structure and law of the time. Your biggest failing here was not to provide how the City paid the price for this despicable act when they failed to hand over the mob that had raped and murdered the girl. You also failed to show that this act was done in a Benjamite City, one of the 12 tribes of Israel, and you also failed to state how the other 11 tribes rose up against the act, and took to military action against the city for two reasons, firstly for not handing over the rapists and murders, and secondly for harbouring them, as a consequence they were virtually wiped out, because so incensed were the other 11 tribes over this barbaric act. So what are we all to make of your 'minor transgression' Bob? Not a lot mate. You also have to have an understanding of what a Levite was, and you have to remember the historical perspective, there was no fleshly king or ruler at this time of history, also you show your complete lack of understanding of the slave system under the early Jewish Tribes, Slaves had rights, and anyone who got into debt and difficulty could pay their way out by going into slavery voluntarily, but their justice system at the time made sure there was a limit to the time period of 6 years, this Slavery was not like Slavery of the British Empire, where no one of right mind would ever want to volunteer into. Of course it's easy to pick on the early honest historical accounts of biblical times, but what were your ancestors up to Bob 6000 years ago in Wales?.......
"I'm sure you know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah?" I know this one. They both got knocked out in the first round.
Back to the OP! An inquiry into the rape conviction of footballer Ched Evans is to be fast-tracked by the body that examines potential miscarriages of justice. The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) has said its investigation into the case could begin within weeks. It says it is acting, in part, because of "issues raised" by Evans's legal team. A CCRC spokesman told the Observer it had expected a "significant wait" to the inquiry beginning, but there had been a request by the footballer's lawyers to prioritise the case. He said after the request was made, "in line with our published policy on prioritisation, and in relation to the facts of the case and the issues raised in Mr Evans's application to us... we now expect our substantive investigation to begin within the next few weeks". The spokesman added: "The decision to prioritise the case simply brings forward the starting point of the investigations to decide whether or not there may be grounds for us to refer the case to the Court of Appeal. - BBC News Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29679563 Link: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ched-evans-rape-conviction-inquiry-7959841
If it is true about her previous rape accusations and those tweets she made, then surely Evans has very good grounds for an appeal.
Yes true and she did indeed make those Tweets thanks to a US hacker who got into the Google search cache system, to reveal them. And it looks as if she has form for this? so if all this stands up to scrutiny, I see his conviction being overturned. The only thing worse than Rape is a man being falsely accused of it.........
While evans plans any appeal then all this rubbish about him coming back into football should be put on hold until after the appeal...everyones happy....
Just between you and me Dai, Sheffield have already signed him, they are just waiting on the timing to announce, I think they are in possession of more facts than you and I.........
Evan's facts phill. you know like me that evans and the club will be slaughtered in every game he plays so it will be in his own and the clubs interest to wait until after if or any appeal. Good luck to him if he proves his innocence but somehow i dont think he will and will make things worse for himself....
but you kept on going on about children and fans idolising him unless he's banned from playing professional football? surely kids will ask their parents why fans are slaughtering him?
