Not "that" Peter Taylor, Canary Dave, but the former England caretaker manager as I limited myself to more recent examples. But yes, the likes of Brian Clough and many other top managers of the 70s and 80s worked their way up the leagues to become top managers. It's more of a rarity now because top English clubs prefer foreign managers, mainly due to superior tactical knowledge / training and a higher level of trophy winning experience. Fortunately the gap does appear to be closing and we have more innovative, forward-thinking British managers coming through, in my opinion.
Ok, so there are a few if you go back to (mainly early) 90s but only one recent and that is Martinez (and that was League One). I think we can safely say it's not a likely route to a top job anymore.
Clough only brushed the beginning of the Premier League era at the end of his career and I remember being more excited that he was in the dugout at Portman Road than any player that season and it was sad how it ended for him.
Appears to be a 3 horse race with Hurst, Ross and Lampard (likely in that order) Though I do have a sneaking suspicion that there at least one more candidate that could be very much in the running, but hasn't had the media coverage of the 3 front runners, and Evans could well throw a bit of a last minute curveball and appoint someone very few have been talking about.
Apparently Sunderland have identified Hurst or Ross as their next manager. I think we have to realise those two are going to be in high demand, so Evans has to act swiftly to get one. Apparently Sunderland have already had an interview with Ross. I'd like to think we are a more attractive destination, but I guess the temptation to swoop in at Sunderland (a bigger club with a bigger fanbase) and notch an easier-looking promotion for your CV is quite an enticing possibility. Plus, for Ross, it's closer to Scotland, which may be a big factor.
Not overly worried about that to be honest. Yes, they are a big club, a huge club in fact if you put it into the context of the clubs that will be keeping them company next season. But they are also one with a fairly tarnished reputation that has gone through something like 15 managers in less than 10 years and has a new owner that is very much an unknown (other than he isn't as rich as their previous owner) and an eye watering wage bill coupled with a huge rebuilding job made ever more difficult by having to offload some unwanted high earners that have clearly caused unrest in the dressing room. If we were to both offer him a contract and he chooses them above us, then I think it would be fair to make the assumption that he has been offered far more in the way of salary or fancies massaging his ego.. Either way I would then be more than happy to see him go somewhere else.
Joining in to take up this thread again. I like the idea of Lamps, but in reality, he has not actually managed a team at a senior level. The day to day tasks, the bright lights & expectations upon you, the thirst of fans to see better football, a better run club, a new drive & impetus, a fresh approach, selection, style, tactics and man management, getting to know the whole set up, moving to an off the beaten track ( but lovely!) county, all a massive responsibility which he has never experienced. Some might say that's a good thing! And if we all gave him 3-4 years building a new ITFC model, and we were patient (huh!), I can see someone like him making this HIS Club. The encouraging news is that we do seem to have a healthy string of potentially good managers who actually want to take us on. For me tho, a young, relatively experienced fresh face is the key. Ah well, we shall all know in a few days!
According to TWTD Lampard's out of the running.Have we dodged a bullet or missed a golden opportunity,time will tell?
Apparently it was down to 'personal terms', which can cover many things, but I think in this case ultimately boils down to either his own wage or the available transfer / wage budget. I wouldn't like to think Lampard turned up and expected a high wage when he does not have any managerial experience, although he is used to being paid a lot of money. Purely speculation of course, but I am inclined to think he did not agree with the financial restrictions at the club, and that he would not be able to fully utilize his contacts at Chelsea, and hopes he would get an alternative offer in the Championship at a club with a higher budget, perhaps Derby?
My first thought was that as he would like to bring an experienced assistant and or coaches with him, which ME has obviously already hinted at "working within a structure already in place" Lampard either didn't want to back down on bringing an extra person or two.. Or the man he wanted alongside him is already in work and we weren't willing to pay the compensation for an assistant manager. Like you say, I can't imagine he would turn down a job based on his own salary given his obvious wealth. Plus he already owns a fair amount of property in Ipswich so he knows the area and what he could afford nearby I did also think of Derby as soon as I saw he was out of the running, perhaps he is interested and fancies that as a better opportunity to make a name for himself in management.
Agreed Scowey, I can only presume Lampard wanted Redknapp alongside him in some capacity and Evans, despite being close friends with the man, just didn't want or afford to include him? All conjecture though unless / until we get further clarification from the club or Lampard himself. Derby have a team that are more likely to get promoted compared to us, considering their play off finish this season and bigger budget. I do think Derby will opt for a more experienced manager though, as they typically go for big-name, experienced managers such as McClaren, Pearson, and Rowett. They did give Paul Clement his first managerial job, but he had a lot of experience as assistant manager with the likes of Chelsea, Real Madrid, and PSG.
From the look of it, i think ME is waiting on Hurst as his first choice. If anyone else was his #1 priority, he would've been signed up, or at least we would've heard of it. Other him and Ross, no other names are being banded about as genuine contenders. At first i was skeptical of Lampard coming in, but now thinking about it, i think he would've been a decent appointment. Not for his management skills, but purely on his contacts. He's an extremely respected and well liked individual, who could've attracted a higher quality player. Oh well, c'est la vie
Agreed Stretchy, think this is ultimately the situation, Evans at least wants to interview him and if Hurst passes that, then the job will effectively be his. Worst case scenario is Shrewsbury beat Rotherham in the Play Off final on Sunday, Hurst stays with Shrewsbury, and Ross is poached / tempted by another club in the mean time. Unlikely to happen, I hope, as Ross is probably aware of the situation and happy to wait it out.
I'm certainly on tenterhooks until this situation is resolved and given how the Club has been run fear the worst.
I'm not sure that Hurst is the main target but that it's more a case of getting him in for an interview and comparing what he has to say against Ross. I don't feel that Ross is second choice in any way, just that we want to give Hurst a chance to say his piece, which he would've done already had it not been for the play-offs. A two horse race with no clear winner as yet I'm just happy Marcus is taking his time over it and not going for the first manager that's available. Instead of looking at the unemployed roster he's actually targeting men who are already in work and doing well, not just been sacked for being ****!
I’m wondering if there’s another option out there too. Frank de boer is out of work... he would be a coach first and a buyer of players second given his background coming through one of the ultimate youth academies at Ajax. He would value the idea of developing players and youth. Whereas the diamond geezers of lamps/ arry probably need money to take advantage of their skill sets and contacts, which we don’t have. He’s also got that nice Dutch connection; we’ve all said someone with some link to our heritage would be good and he will be a seriously well connected man with a lot of drawer for young players wanting to move to a better division for more money than most euro leagues can offer. Obvs the palace thing is a blot on the cv but I’d be surprised if that was all down to him, sometimes it just don’t work out. AVB at Chelsea is another example. I’m worried that with fat frank we’re just a stepping stone, a short term proving ground before he gets the West Ham or chelski job. God knows the jobs there come up regularly enough it would just be a matter of time before his ‘excellent work at itfc’ was enough to catapult him elsewhere.
