Have to agree to disagree on that one, thus far, we have a powderpuff strike force. ( THUS FAR is the key, that COULD change to PROLIFIC ) Jackson - 1 cup goal with a big keeper error Sears - 0 surprise surprise Harrison - 0 Morris - 0 and deserves game time. Just because you don't agree with someone elses point, don't start saying it's ' nonsense ' and ticking stuff off - of that's when a forum becomes the opposite of what it's supposed to be. We all love ITFC on here and should be able to air our views. COYB - and lets hope they start firing soon.
Jackson has played four games and scored once. He has played three league games and scored none. I really don’t get why you’re attempting to link this with Lineker. At least take Jackson’s entire scoring record, as you’re taking Lineker’s, so Jackson is a 1 goal in 4 games striker. The stats back that up.
I wouldn't really call getting a 15 minute run out playing a game Nuggets. If this is the kind of logic Town fans are employing it's no wonder everyone's having a meltdown.
So if he scored a goal in one of these 15 minute run outs, we can rule it out of his overall tally then? Goals only count when they start a match or appearances off the bench only count if they score? Bizarre logic.
I've got to hand it to you Nuggets. Do you put together the government's unemployment figures by any chance?
I don’t (wouldn’t have the time to spend on here if I did, the way this country is going). However, if we’re talking daytime jobs, I do feel like I’m a school teacher giving out a lesson in GCSE Maths today
I think if people are dissing our forwards it's important to point out that Harrison has never been a prolific goalscorer, he's not an out and out striker and his ratio is 1/4 and Jackson has only played two full games - two and a half games if you really want. And scored a goal. Not all that bad. Not incredible but not all that bad. It's not like we are going to sign Mo Salah, Ronaldo or Messi or discover the next Alan Shearer. Daryl Murphy's record was outstanding. He's the one and only forward to do really well in the entire Evans era so we need to have a bit of perspective.
I think the strikers do need to be given time, hopefully everyone here can see that, as nine players have come into this club with potentially a couple more on loan. So it is hopefully just a question of patience. But I don’t see the issue with flagging the fact that our strikers have not scored a league goal yet and putting first impressions here. For reference, this time last season after five league games, Martyn Waghorn had four goals, Joey Garner had three goals, and David McGoldrick had one (three if you count the cup match). My concern is that while the new strikers need time, we have sold our top five goalscorers last season and goals are proving to be an issue for us so far this season. Everyone is going to have their opinions on this and we are all entitled to voice them. I really hope they can get on the scoresheet against Norwich, one of those games that can kickstart the season if we finally beat them about a decade of failing.
After five league games we were doing very well, but it didn't carry on like that. Just in the same way that we are unlikely to continue our current form all season and end the season with 18 points. Waghorn by the way, our top scorer, ended on 16 goals in 39 starts and 7 sub appearances ( since we are being pernickety ) - worse than Jackson in this awful abysmal run that he is having.
That’s an inaccurate, biased reading to make. Take it from the same amount of minutes played on the pitch for a more accurate data comparison. Jackson has started and completed 90 minutes in two matches and has accumulated another 73 minutes from coming off the bench this season. In that time, he’s scored once against Exeter in the League Cup. In that same playing time period at the start of last season, Waghorn had scored once against Barnsley, twice against Millwall, and once against Brentford. If Jackson scored 16 goals this season, I’d be very surprised.
Why don’t we take Waghorn’s most prolific matches and compare Jackson’s goalscoring with that? Not at all biased. I’m outta here. This forum is obviously for complete halfwits.
Wow, charming. I was taking the first few games from each player and comparing them, most natural place to start.
Nuggets, you know full bloody well that's not an unbiased sample. You can't have it both ways. Jackson's ratio is good, but it's statistically meaningless over such a small number of matches. Even for Harrison, who has played a lot more minutes, it's too early. This time last season the bottom three was Bolton, Brentford and Norwich - final positions 21st, 14th and 9th, which just proves that the opening five league games is too small to extrapolate out. After 10 games it was Sunderland, Birmingham and Bolton - all who finished around the relegation places and after 15 it was 2 of the final bottom 3. So by the Birmingham result at the end of September, if we're in the bottom 3, we can say that we are probably in trouble. By the Millwall result at the end of October, if we're in the bottom 3, we will likely need to change the manager to stay up.
I would have used the same sample even if Waghorn had only scored once. It is the first 250 minutes for both players following their move to this club, it’s the most accurate data set comparison you can make. Obviously the longer the amount of games, the more accurate the data, but that’s what we’ve got to work with right now. I agree with your point around the sides in the bottom three. At this stage, we are not relegation certainties, just like last season after we’d won our first four games, nobody seriously expected us to get automatic promotion.
Nuggets, because you know the outcome and because the number of goals scored is affected by the strength of the opposition and form of the team no it isn't. Goals per minute is the best comparison possible to be made, which is why it's used to separate top scorers with the same number of goals. However, to restate the point, drawing any conclusions over such a small sample of matches is meaningless. If you ARE going to do it though then Jackson's ratio stands up - unless that is you selectively compare it to the goals per minute of Mane vs Villa from 13 minutes in for 3 minutes (1 goal per minute).
Coming from somebody who several posts earlier was comparing Jackson’s scoring record at Town to Gary Lineker’s career average, and doing so with a straight face. We can certainly agree that it is too early to judge our strikers, or any player on the pitch for that matter, but I’ll repeat it again, no league goals for our current roster of strikers is a slight concern, which was my original point. With a stroke of luck, Jackson will hit a hat trick against Norwich and we can all be happy.
No league goals in one start and two sub appearances for Jackson is hardly cause for any concern. Harrison is more of a slight concern not because of goals but because of performances, I'd be inclined to bench him for Sears for Norwich if we're going to stick with the one up.
Sears would be an interesting option up front, he looked a completely different player under Klug in the last two games of the previous season. Definitely not good enough as a winger though. I’d be interested to see if we’d play a 3-5-2 in the near future with Kenlock and Edwards as wing backs. We’ve got three decent central midfield options (if we drop one of Skuse and Chalobah, to ensure there are two attacking midfielders in the centre). Sears and Jackson up front would be a handful for most sides, based on their pace and industry.
