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Match Day Thread Sheff Wed v Hull City

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Dec 31, 2023.

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  1. Summerof69

    Summerof69 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, they can but they can’t move towards the opponents goal without the use of their feet. Unless they’re going to crawl on hands and knees, which is hardly likely to give them an advantage.
    I’m sure you understand exactly what is being suggested here and are just being intentionally obtuse?
     
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    You mean in the same way that players who know they are offside do actually stand still or in some cases walk the other way, ignoring the movement of the ball to signal their lack of intention to become involved in that phase of play but allow team mates to continue pursuing the ball?
     
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  3. petersaxton

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    They cant move away from their opponents goal without using their feet either
    what has that got to do with it?
    why cant it be offside if somebody's head is offside?
    they can head the ball into the goal
    I understand that it's a ridiculous suggestion
    the reason why every part of the body except arms and hands can be offside is because they are the parts of the body that can play the ball
    it's nothing to do with whether they can move or not
     
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  4. petersaxton

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    a person is only offside if they are interferring with play and in an offside position
    in all other cases they are only in an offside position or they are onside
     
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    VAR - have a fixed script with of a couple of views of specified cameras (like the cricket) and if no clear and obvious reffing error within a fixed time of review then the original decision stands and the game carries on. No standing there for ages on the touchline rewinding the video back again and again. No to teams having a challenge and go to VAR, this isn’t cricket or tennis.
     
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  6. Summerof69

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    The point being that the offside rule is there to prevent an attacker gaining an advantage by being closer to the goal than at least two opponents and the only thing that is absolutely crucial to both attackers and defenders in being nearer the goal line is their feet, except maybe in an instance where the offside decision is at a point where a goal is scored from inside the box by a part of the anatomy other than a foot.
     
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    then you bring errors into which views are chosen and rushed reviews
    I think VAR is to get the right decision even if there is a delay
    we have delays for serious injuries so I dont see why we cant accept it to improve the chances of getting a decision right
     
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  8. petersaxton

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    I have seen good headers on goal from outside the box
    I dont see why there's an obsession with feet
    the tech can judge more than the position of feet
     
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    it isnt their feet that is crucial
     
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  10. brownbagtiger

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    VAR was supposed to be for addressing clear and obvious errors in officiating. If you cant tell quickly then it’s not a clear and obvious error.

    no one minds delays for serious injuries, eg the player gets stretchered off. But most “injuries” could be shovelled off to the sidelines for treatment because it’s all part of game management and slowing down the pace.
     
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  11. Summerof69

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    So do you agree with any part of the attacker’s anatomy being sufficient to give offside?
     
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    then there will be people complaining about what is a clear and obvious error
    if you can tell if there's an error then do so, dont try to rush things
     
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    no. not hands and arms.
     
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    If it's clear and obvious, it wouldn't take multiple minutes, multiple angles, fake lines and multiple play backs at various speeds to come to a decision....
     
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    clear and obvious is subjective
    any limitation risks getting it wrong
    if you want a game littered with refereeing errors then fair enough
    I would rather a goal be disallowed if it was offside
     
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    So, just any part of the body that you can legitimately score with?
     
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  17. petersaxton

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    yes
     
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    I agree with using feet for the offside and my argument for it would use four scenarios, two with attacker and defender running toward goal and two with attacker and defender running in opposite directions.
    In the first two scenarios (As long as the player run like a normal human) the players bodies will both be leaning head toward the goal. If the attacker has gone early his feet will be ahead of the defender and so will his head, thus offside. If he's lagging the defender the opposite is true, thus onside.
    In the second two scenarios if the attacker has timed his break perfectly as the defender is moving away from goal his feet will be further away than the defenders but his head would be closer, currently offside but in my opinion should be onside. If he's gone too early both feet and head put him offside.

    Sorry for war and Peace
     
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    Watching Football without Lineker is even more enjoyable.
     
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