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Match Day Thread Sheff Wed v Hull City

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    Bowen obviously was the outstanding winger, Olley can play there, and is a good player he could possibly step
    up, Fleming who plays left back I feel is more of a winger than a defender, who is very good going forward would be an option.
     
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  3. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    Well on the face of it a 2-2 draw being 2-1 going onto injury time is not a bad result. As Leo says the mind set seems to be we get a lead then try to defend it, well it's up to him, when on the touch line to get his back line higher up the pitch to squeeze the space in midfield, instead of pacing around with his head down looking as if he is about to have kittens.

    I accept what Kempton says earlier about him being dealt a duff hand, but with what he has, he needs to do better, and showing a bit of leadership from the touch line would be a start.
     
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  4. dennisboothstash

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    I agree
    The players he has at his disposal, the general feeling of disenchantment and the lack of fans at games is entirely down to the owners
    But Slutsky has got what he’s got and needs to do his best to get the best tune out of them, regardless of how many piano keys are missing
    He doesn’t look like a confident figure on the touch line, in fact I sometimes wonder if he sees much of what is going on given he spends most of his time staring at his shoes
    He’s definitely been dealt a **** hand, but he isn’t playing it very well either I don’t think
     
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  5. Fez

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    The ability is there, although not strong, it's the focus that goes missing.

    Would you have made those substitutions?

    Larsson is doung okay, nothing more, in a poor team and a poor championship.
     
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    We were the better team in the first half and fully deserved to be ahead at the break.

    We sat back from the start of the second and invited them on to us, the goals were inevitable, it was just a matter of time.

    Despite it being obvious that changes need to be made, it took an injury to Bowen on 76 minutes before any changes were made. That was entirely down to Slutsky.

    Bizarrely, he said in his post match interview that it was obvious what was happening, but did nothing about it until after they'd scored.

    He has to go.
     
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    We can't defend, but we can score.

    We need to go out all attack, all game, as outscoring the opposition is the best chance we have of actually winning a game.
     
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  8. Arnold_Lane_HCFC

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    Your sister you say?

    Wonder if I've ever nicked stuff off her washing line?

    Confused? Ask Syd.
     
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  9. Arnold_Lane_HCFC

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    My home is permanently under Anlaby Road fly over.

    Bit of a community thing going on down there.
     
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  10. Arnold_Lane_HCFC

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    We should get Keegan and Ardiles in to coach the coach.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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  12. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. So go five at the back or put Evandro on to shield the back four and take henriksen off. I said in the match thread it's coming, it was inevitable.
    The games 90+ minutes we can play well for 45 of them. So change it.
     
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  13. GLP

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    The defence has too much inexperience unit. It was better with the Mazuch/Dawson combination. We don't know what the impact of the head/injury cut to Mazuch had on the final outcome. It was significant and whilst admirable that he played on - we don't know if that was a contributing factor.
     
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    Then you lose the attacking impetus and at 2-1 down we may not have had enough going forwards to dig out an equaliser.
     
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    All our fit centre backs were already on the pitch, you could have moved Tomori into the middle and put Aina on at right back, but that might well have made the defence weaker.

    We needed to go on the attack, we're simply too weak defensively to try and hold a one goal lead.
     
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  16. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    So you shield the defence with Evandro or Meyler in front of them and behind Stewart and Larsson.
    Stewart looks better going forward than defending.
     
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  17. Amin Yapusi

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    Agree, attack til the end. Grosicki Bowen and Campbell will punish teams pushed up trying to score. Or worry them enough not to camp out in our half and flood our box, it's those situations we just can't deal with.
     
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  18. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Scatter graphics: Championship, 27 Nov 2017
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    Here’s another update to the scatter graphics, which compare the attacking and defensive performances of every team in a division. Each of the four graphics is explained briefly below and at length here.

    Shot dominance
    First of all, here is how the number of shots taken by each club compares with those they face in return. The average number of shots taken per match is on the horizontal and the average number faced is on the vertical, so bottom right (take plenty, allow few in return) is good while top left (take few, allow plenty) is bad. The stripes are like contours: the greener the stripe, the better the performance (and vice versa for red).

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    This doesn’t look how I expected it to: everyone’s clustered in the middle, apart from Brentford throwing the kitchen sink at opponents and Burton doing the opposite. It’s been no surprise to see the Bees steadily climbing the table and it looks like they should still be targeting a top half finish.

    QPR – who salvaged a draw against Brentford last night – also look to be in a false position in the bottom half of the table given their above-average showing here, while Ipswich‘s presence in the top half looks as though it might be temporary given how often they’ve been on the back foot.

    Attacking effectiveness
    Now let’s look at attacking alone. The horizontal axis stays the same as in the graphic above, but now the vertical shows the average number of shots needed to score each league goal. Therefore bottom right is good (taking lots of shots and needing fewer efforts to convert) and top left is bad:

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    Brentford may be taking a lot of shots but they’ve been somewhat wasteful so far – Ipswich and Sheffield United have outscored them despite taking around seven fewer shots per match.

    There’s also a hint at why Ipswich are doing so well despite creating relatively few chances: they’ve been ruthless in front of goal so far, with just over six shots taken for each goal scored.

    Wolves are even more clinical – in fact over twice as effective at Norwich at converting shots into goals despite the Canaries marginally out-shooting them – while Birmingham‘s woeful shot conversion is bad enough to make me suspect that they’re due some better luck in front of goal.

    Defensive effectiveness
    Next let’s look at the defensive situation – basically take the above chart and replace the word “taken” for “faced” on both axes. Now top left is good – facing fewer shots and able to soak up more per goal conceded – and bottom right is bad:

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    Cardiff‘s promotion campaign looks to be built on their solid defence, with Aston Villa and Wolvesalso looking pretty strong at the back.

    Brentford seem to have a similar problem in defence as they do in attack: they’ve nailed quantity but not quality, a bit like Liverpool in the division above.

    It’s been a frustrating season for the back lines of Sunderland, Hull and Bolton, who have all allowed a respectable number of chances but seen the ball fly into the net with depressing frequency.

    Expected goals
    Finally here’s an attempt at correcting the first graphic for the quality of chances created and allowed, using the same “expected goals” values that power my shot timelines (explained here). The reason for doing this is that the results tend to correlate more strongly with performance than when we treat all shots equally:

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    When we correct for shot quality, Wolves shoot into the bottom right corner with Cardiff, so the top two in the league table look to have earned their places. This neatness extends across the top five, with Aston Villa, Sheffield United and Bristol City not far away.

    This makes Brentford‘s absence from the top half – never mind the top six – all the more mysterious. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them and Ipswich drift towards and ultimately pass each other as the season goes on.

    While Burton and Birmingham‘s struggles are rendered less mysterious by this chart, there’s hope for Sunderland who don’t look anywhere near as bad as their current league position.

    I’m a bit worried about Hull‘sdefence – that’s a surprisingly high level of chances for a newly-relegated team to be giving up.
     
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  19. The B&S Fanclub

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    No not at all, but it came before our equaliser. At 1-1 with five to go the cat even got out of the room, knowing what was coming.
     
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  20. armchairfan

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    I liked what I saw of Olley in the past, giving enthusiastic youth a chance can work sometimes as Bowen proved.
     
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