Off Topic Shamima Begum

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  1. Dorty Dogbreath

    Dorty Dogbreath Well-Known Member

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    She's a ****. And an ugly one at that.
     
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  2. The #Cans Master

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    I understand your point but at some stage you have to accept responsibility for your own actions. Adulthood is that stage for me. You (not you personally) can’t go through life always blaming others.

    I don’t know her upbringing etc but since 18 years of age she is, for me, responsible for her own actions. I haven’t seen anywhere her apologising or stating her views have changed.

    The Daily Telegraph reported that Begum was an "enforcer" in ISIL's "morality police", and also tried to recruit other young women to join the jihadist group.She was allowed to carry a Kalashnikov rifle and earned a reputation as a strict enforcer of ISIL's laws, such as dress codes for women. An anti-ISIL activist told The Independent that there are separate allegations of "Begum [stitching] suicide bombers into explosive vests so they could not be removed without detonating".

    Not exactly the behaviour of a passive follower. As I’ve said before the rights of the many out way the rights of one where that one is a potential threat and danger to the many.
     
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    I'm not saying she's not a threat. But she is British. She needs to brought home and face justice here.
     
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  4. Sheikh_of_Araby

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    ISIS declared war on the west. Get her before an international court, charging her with crimes against humanity.

    Problem solved.
     
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  5. Darren Peacock's Ponytail

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    That's fair enough but still this country has to take responsibility
     
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    She was 15 when she was groomed on the Internet and convinced to fly half way around the globe and marry a man twice her age.

    Just wind back a second and think how that’d have been reported if she was white and from the Home Counties.

    Irrespective, the entire crux of this legal wrangle isn’t about this particular woman or the emotive context of the case. It’s about our Govt basically deciding that there’s 2 levels of U.K. citizenship, one for those who are born here to U.K. born citizens and another lesser level of U.K. born citizens who’s parents happen to have been born elsewhere. As they’ve removed her citizenship and made her stateless merely based on an incorrect assumption that she had dual nationality, she doesn’t.

    The entire thing is made beyond parody by the fact that both of the Ministers who’ve overseen this issue would be in citizen level 2 by their own rulings, plus the current incumbent committed actual ****ing treason on foreign soil not so long ago. I despair at what this country has become in the name of populism.
     
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  7. Joelinton's Right Foot

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    I agree with those saying we should be the ones dealing with it rather than leaving the problem to Syria. It's an easy out for this country but not a solution that is very responsible internationally.

    The main concern I have with this though is that she was 15 and a child when she was brainwashed. That doesn't give her a free ride to then not face legal responsibility for any crimes she committed, either as a child or as a young adult, but it is an important factor. However, she was groomed online, brainwashed and then fell in love with the man who groomed her. This is not an uncommon thing to happen. The difference with this case is that her groomer was a terrorist rather than someone who groomed her just for sexual exploitation - though from what I remember she was immediately married when she left the country, so sexual exploitation likely also took place.

    While it is not uncommon for groomed fifteen year olds to fall in love with the men who groomed them, and even to still feel that they love them even after they are removed from the situation and to continue to support them, it is unusual for society to blame the girl when that happens. If a young girl became involved in illegal behaviour after being groomed she would still have to face the consequences of her actions, but the courts would take into account a massive amount of mitigation and seek to offer help in dealing with her brainwashing.

    People talk about the message it sends out, but one of the messages this decision sends out is that those girls (and boys) who are currently being groomed (and it will still be going on) will not get help but instead will be condemned for their actions. What incentive does that give them to change path before they become an even bigger danger?
     
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  8. Somebodys pinched my sombrero

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    Even if she gets brought back and sentenced to life imprisonment, I would begrudge the taxpayer paying for that ****.
     
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  9. Darren Peacock's Ponytail

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    Me too. But then why should another country pay for her?
     
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  10. Albert's Chip Shop

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    An MI6 officer needs to take responsibility for dealing with her silently and swiftly. Syria are happy, we are happy.

    Not sliced and diced Saudi ‘style’, but a double tap from a very quiet Mr Glock to the temples.. in the dead of night. Live by the sword die by the sword.
     
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    two rounds are much cheaper.
     
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  12. Rafman

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    I said this before when this issue was brought up and my answer is to have a media blackout on her and her family and leave her to it. If her family want to see her that desperately, let them, they can join her.

    She's old enough to know that her actions have consequences, she was old enough at 15 to know that too. She can't have it both ways.

    How can anyone sane enough allow someone who admitted that beheadings didn't faze her and that Isis were/are in the right, back in this country.

    How could you live with yourself if she was allowed back in and then she did something horrific.
     
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    Agreed.

    We can give her a fair trial and then lock her up for life.
     
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  14. Maximin Effort

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    The problem is that known Isis fighters have been allowed back into the country but the government has picked a teenage ISIS bride to make an example of. At the end of the day she is a British citizen who lived her entire life in this country before heading to Syria. She is therefore our problem to deal with.

    What she did is within the remit of the British courts to deal with, so they should
     
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    Don’t get carried away - we are all still waiting for you to buy the first one.
     
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  16. The #Cans Master

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    <laugh>
     
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  17. Welshie

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    Always wondered, why don't we go about tossing MI6 at things, shouldn't this chick have been blown to smithereens out there?

    Why are the Americans always popping off their targets, but all ours are washing Kurdish pants in a refugee camp.

    If everyone wants to get emotional about this, jesus, bring her home and charge her with treason then. Make a Begum law, fire her into the North Atlantic.
     
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