Sessegnon

So what a player is expected to take a hit and do nothing about it?

I seem to remember Gerrad and Rooney getting away with near on assault after forearm smashing opposition players after running to up to them to do it. Because the players didn't really react the got of, that is poor sportsmanship.

Or swinging and elbow back into an opponents fact, and yes there was contact.

If there was no contact and they went down like a fairy that is cheating.

I seem to remember Myler hamming up a challenge which got Huth sent off even though he miss timed it and tried to get out of the way.

All teams have players who do it.

 

As opposed to milking it, yes.

Did you actually read what I said?

So are you seriously saying that if a player takes a knock, it is perfectly acceptable for them to act as if they have been shot to gain an advantage? I hope you don't.

I will reiterate this point as you seem to have not gone in, just because every team does it, does not make it right.

When have two wrongs ever made a right?

 

Admittedly their reaction were OTT, but I see it right to show that contact has been made to make it clearer to the ref since the law states violent conduct including intent.

On both occasions the intent was there from the players and the contact was also there.

It is not something the NUFC players do every match like Suarez does, who did fail down claiming he'd been elbowed when nobody was around him.
With Tiote and Perch's incidents there was intent from the opposing player.

It could be worse, you could have a player who dives in the box to win a penalty that never is one like say Suarez or Laarson.

 

Tiote- how much intent was there? About as much as when Krul raised his hands to McClean. A sending off absolutely but its not as if he went out of his way and physically assaulted Tiote is it?
Perch- yes there was intent, crystal clear. But who tripped who again?

What you mean like Saylor?







Your point of view falls down on the premise that you claim all teams do it, yet you only see fit to highlight incidents that favour your argument.

 

I highlighted the fact that your player went down in the box easy when his shirt was pulled, it was a foul and a pen but the tug on the shirt wasn't enough to make him go down the way he did.

Tiote - how much intent? he threw his elbow back and made contact since his face wobbled which proves there was contact. Unless Sess has some erratic twitch there was no other reason to do that apart from to catch him.

 

Its not your ideals I have a problem with, its the application of them. I too would prefer all teams played fairly and we didn't have players like Tiote/Perch resorting to play acting to ensure the ref sends someone off. But once that is the norm, as it is with every team including Sunderland (See Frazier Campbell's play acting in the derby), you'd be a fool to not just follow suit and look after your own teams interests. Players will always go by what the norm is to ensure they aren't getting mugged off week in week out. If you have played football at any level you understand this. Indeed you are taught it. Nobody likes dishonesty but show me a team who says "regardless of all the other teams in the league, we are going to play fair, even if it puts us at a disadvantage" and I'll show you a set of mugs.

 

If that is how other teams gain an advantage over you, I'd say yes it is acceptable. Don't start with the moralistic ideal of two wrongs don't make a right. That is just not the real world. I can't believe you actually expect teams to put themself at a disadvantage by playing by the rules/being honest despite every other team not doing so. There's way too much at stake for a start. But more than anything the "two wrongs don't make a right" ideal can basically be termed as "come and make a mug of me"

 

Have I said that I don't have any qualms with how the team I support conducts themselves? No.

SirBR- would anyone aiming to hurt someone in that situation use their arm in that way? The extent which you seem to think is there is lacking. Don't confuse extent with intent.

Warm Pouch- so are you happy with the state of the game at present? And how does something become the norm?

 

You Mackems still bleating on about Tiote making sure Sessegnon was sent off for his stupidity and needless off-the-ball aggression? Change the ****ing record man.

 

Yet if we put anything on their board or about our team we're obsessed.

 

Actually in this case I'm not, I have only mentioned them in a direct response where that particular incident has be brought up by one of your b&w chums.