There you could say Guilfoyle was at fault. However I believe that he is waiting for the PCC to approve or decline the planned development before Heaney/or the Irish will release the money.
mmm very interesting programme on channel 4 - "Despatches - How to buy a football club".....anyone watch it, all sounds very familiar............ was waiting for Argyle's name to be mentioned at any time
I was waiting for details of the takeover rules set down by the Administrator for Argyle to be published on here so no I haven't watched it. I seldom watch TV at all these days as the company on here is so good. (creep creep I love my dungeon). I might just have a look on playback later if I'm allowed to stay up late.
Its eerily very close to whats happening to us at the moment, have you found the secret way in and out yet Sensible .... its incase of emergencies
Are we talking Barmaid Gat? I didn't know there was an emergency entrance. I will have to look for it.
Find it sensible.........might save you from a barmaid slapping.......when you protest that it was only the crisps that you where rearranging.......again.
Remember this Sensible. "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." --- George Orwell --- and Orwell was hardly a right wing militarist. The question of whether Guilfoyle picked the right preferred bidder is a different - and now totally irrelevant - story. We are where we are and any thought of an alternative plan runs a huge risk of the club folding. Now that all the old betes noires have gone, fans should get behind the football club and support it. With the property gone, there won't be a second chance. GAT's link to the Brent Plan talks about 2 things: that the current deal is worth >£5m and that in the Brent Plan, the council would buy the ground for "a knockdown price". We know that post relegation the ground as valued at £2 and a bit million so that implies a purchase below that price for the council. How does that work then bearing in mind the creditors would have to vote on a revised offer? Will they accept less than a half of what they've already been offered or will they liquidate the football club which is causing such delays, difficulties and expense and sell off the property without it? Plymborn If you have a published schedule of what payments were due when and which have been paid, for goodness sake point us to it and put us out of our misery. Alternatively, any statement from Ridsdale or Guilfoyle that payments are overdue. Otherwise, what you are doing by continually repeating this is damaging gossip which in a small way undermines the chances of the club surviving by alienating otherwise loyal fans.
I have to confess that I am at a loss to understand the need for secrecy now. OK, while due diligence is going on, confidentiality agreements are quite normal but now the name of the bidding company is in the public domain why the need for secrecy? Secrecy fuels the rumour mill as newspapers abhor a vacuum and must speculate or invent when facts are absent. It would be healthier for all concerned if we started to see a bit more openness and information. I know they don't care about us but WE are the club in the current position. By which I mean that what can be spent is limited to what we contribute in very large measure. IF we don't put down our pounds, there is no club, no team and at least as far as the city council is concerned, no development either!
The trouble is Westernmac that the bidders obtained a confidentiality clause for whatever reason of their own - as you say that is very common. It may well be that fans want to know who they are but that doesn't oblige them to reveal their identity or to compromise whatever advantages they sought in confidentiality in the first place. I saw part of the documentary last night and as usual, the interests of a good story got in the way a full explanation - offshore companies were involved there and it was implied very strongly that that was done to hide identities. Of course the most common reason for using offshore vehicles is to legally manage tax exposure - often involving masking identities - legally -and that didn't get a mention, at least in the 2/3 of the programme I saw. The are bound to be rumours and as long as they are recognised as rumours that's fine. That they've been repeated hundreds of times doesn't make them facts. Brent stated clearly at the outset that the football club would have to be self-financing and that's not significantly different to what this lot are doing. People may have a preference for someone else - based on goodness knows what - but changing horses now would be a huge risk. I would have preferred that Ridsdale wasn't involved but I'm willing to put up with it if the club is saved. I think pragmatism is in everyone's interest.
The point I was trying to make, notdistant, is that the current secrecy and speculation is alienating the support base. I have no idea - and neither does anyone else - of the exact terms of the current bid. It may be a good deal for the club or it just might be good only for Ridsdale and his chums. In the absence of any facts, rumour runs rife. Repeating a rumour does not alter truth one iota, I agree, but in the absence of anything solid to go on, it is bound to happen. It is my belief that the bidders would now be best served by giving us some solid information. Heaney's involvement is now known and we are still being told there is an Irish connection but not the same Irish connection as originally stated? I do feel a lot of folks are holding back from buying their season tickets because of the uncertainty - if not the cloud of mystery - hanging over Home Park. I agree that switching bidders would be problematic but I do think it is a good thing that James Brent is waiting in the wings. I have a feeling that the Irish thing may collapse because they won't get the development potential they are after or the funding is dependant upon things outside of the club's control and will not be forthcoming. We have to trust the professionalism of the administrator to get things right but he is only one party to the transaction. The bidders appear to be stretching their agreement - and I stress 'appear' because we cannot know the true terms. However, it is creating an atmosphere of distrust and cynicism - not the best of starts even you will agree. So I say again, openness would be a better policy in my view. No facts, no rumours, just an opinion.
The PB may not be obliged to reveal their identities however in not doing so they are alienating the fan base and creating suspicion and speculation damaging to the football clubs finances and future.This to me really shows how little interest they have in the club from a football perspective. Now whether this is the right or wrong opinion to form from the current dealings, whether this is common practice for big business deals is somewhat irrelevant as many of the current fan base are of the same opinion which is worrying and will hurt the club going forward. Will it stop me attending when possible no, will it stop me buying my sons season ticket no and the usual shirts, tops etc.. still no. However a large majority are answering these same questions in the affirmative which is a cause for concern.
In this lies sthe problem doesn't it. Secrecy is all well and good but it does nothing to quell the masses. However, I think that we have also known from the outset that the Consortium do not have an interest in the football side. They said so pretty much up front and it is the reason that Ridsdale is in there with his pound note grasped in hand. The names of these people are irrelevant as far as I am concerned. Once this deal is done then they will not be present anyway. Once whatever scaffolding goes up we will know who they are anyway no doubt. The doubt cast however is damaging and I have no doubt that it is interfering with the sale of season tickets with people almost understandably holding back. Speculation is bound to be rife isn't it. Secrecy breeds this and there will be people who believe unreservedly any runour they hear. It's a catch 22 situation unfortunately. Like mexijan I will be buying my tickets and no doubt a shirt plus a few other bits and pieces. I can only hope that enough other people do the same in the end to be sufficient for the club to trade on.
I will be getting my season ticket and new club shirt too. We will have to see if anything is revealed on friday when Ridsdale is supposed to be announcing the immediate future of the club. Whatever happens we need to support the club in big numbers to keep her going. COYG!
I don't see how it can be Gat. If the overall deal isn't signed and sealed then the only person he could buy it off is the Administrator and there is no way he will take a pound for it without any other finances. I think Ridsdale is only continuing on the "understanding" the club will be his.
I read somewhere but I can't find it, that the FA have been in contact with the Trust in response to their letter to them, as they have concerns
notDistantGreen.............It is common knowledge that only £300.000 exclusivity money has been paid........Guilfoyle when interviewed on Radio said that a second payment,a six figure amount had been paid...........he was challenged that, why wasn't it the same as the first payment (£200.000)......his answer was he was satisfied with the payment. At the start bidders where told that exclusivity was available at one million pounds........none successful bidders where surprised that milestone payments by Heaney/Irish phantoms was allowed.............it seems that when it is finally wrapped up the outstanding money will be paid.........thats what I've gleaned from all the reams of articles that have been mentioned. NEWSNOW refers to the Plymouth Herald today, regarding the £300.000 that has been paid.
