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Sea the Stars First Crop - an update

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  1. PNkt

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    Named Two Year Olds

    Part 2

    TAGHROODA (GB) – filly out of EZIMA (IRE) - in training with John Gosden
    TALL SHIP (GB) – colt out of MAGICAL ROMANCE (IRE) - in training with Sir Michael Stoute Derby Entry
    TAMASHA (GB) – filly out of TAMARIND (IRE) - in training with Sir Michael Stoute
    TIME AND SPACE (GB) – colt out of SACRED SONG (USA) – in training with Jonathan Pease Derby Entry
    TOO THE STARS (IRE) – filly out of FINSCEAL BEO (IRE) - in training with John Gosden
    TOP OF STARS (GB) - colt out of EXHIBIT ONE (USA)
    TORNADEA (IRE) - filly out of GIROUETTE (IRE)
    TOUCH THE SKY (GB) – colt out of LOVE DIVINE (GB) – in training with Sir Henry Cecil Derby Entry
    VAZIRA (FR) – filly out of VADAZA (FR) – in training with Alain de Royer Dupre
    VERBA STAR (FR) - filly out of VERBA (FR)
    VICE ROYALTY (GB) – colt out of ARGENTINA (IRE) – colt - in training with Charlie Appleby Derby Entry
    WILD AT SEA (IRE) - colt out of COYOTE (GB) - in training with John Oxx Derby Entry
    WONDERSTRUCK (IRE) - filly out of BORDIGHERA (USA)
    YOU'VE GOT IT (GB) - filly out of SONG (IRE) - in training with Jeremy Noseda
    ZARKASH (FR) – colt out of ZARKAVA (IRE) - in training with Alain de Royer Dupre
    ZARSHANA (IRE) – filly out of ZARKASHA (IRE) – in training with Alain de Royer Dupre
     
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    Unnamed Two Year Olds

    AQUARELLE BLEUE (GB) – colt
    CLAXON (GB) – filly
    DANASKAYA (IRE) – colt Derby Entry
    DANELETA (IRE) – colt
    ICE MINT (USA) – colt
    KALAMBA (IRE) – colt
    LUMINARIA (IRE) – filly
    MISS HAWAI (FR) – filly
    MISS UNIVERSE (IRE) – filly
    MRS MARSH (GB) – filly
    NORDHOCK (USA) – filly
    PREMIERE CREATION (FR) – filly
    QUILANGA (GER) – filly
    RAMONA (GB) – colt
    SANTA TERESITA (USA) – filly
    SILENT HEIR (AUS) – colt
    SPECIFICALLY (USA) – colt
    SPIRIT OF TARA (IRE) – filly
    STARLIGHT DREAMS (USA) – colt
    UIMHIR A HAON (IRE) – filly
    VODKA (JPN) – colt – sent to Japan Derby Entry
    ZIBILENE (GB) – colt
     
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    Runners and Results

    AFTERNOON SUNLIGHT – 1 run, 0 win, 1 place - £939
    ANIPA – 2 runs, 0 win, 1 place - £433
    CALORIE – 3 runs, 0 win, 2 place - £2,415
    CASUAL SMILE – 1 run, 0 win, 1 place - £1,155
    DARENJANA – 1 run, 0 win, 1 place - €3,600
    JUVENILE LEAD – 1 run, 0 win, 0 place - £0 (died at 2)
    PLACIDIA – 1 run, 0 win, 0 place - £0
    SEA THE SKIES – 3 runs, 1 win, 2 place
    STARS OVER THE SEA – 3 runs, 1 win, 0 place - £4,817
    TIME AND SPACE – 1 run, 0 win, 0 place - €0
    VERBA STARS – 1 run, 0 win, 0 place - €0
     
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  4. Sir Barney Chuckles

    Sir Barney Chuckles Who Dares Wins

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    Very interesting Sea The Stars horse set to debut later in the week. MUNJAZ is trained by old boy Gosden and has been entered in maidens and Newbury and Newmarket on Friday. However, the really eyecatching entry re him is in a Listed race, across the county line, the following day. Old boy Gosden isn’t one to ‘call his geese, swans’ and so Munjaz must have been showing something to warrant such an entry. Like Radiator, a few weeks back, I’m always intrigued by horses whom leading trainers opt to possibly pitch so high first time out. Munjaz’s long term entries are the ‘Royal Lodge’ and the old Derby.

    Is also nicely bred as the dam is a half sister to 1,000 Guineas victor, Virginia Water.
     
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    Looks highly, highly likely that Munjaz won’t be making his bow in Listed company as old boy Gosden has declared him to run at Newmarket on Friday eve (6.30). He’s one of Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum’s so Paul Hanaghan will ride.

    This is the same heat that 3 years ago old boy Gosden debuted Nathaniel in. And he was edged out of it on that occasion by a horse called Frankel, I say Frankel.
     
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    Friday's maiden is certainly a hot race and always throws up a decent horse or two, though this year's group havea lot to live up to if they are to emulate the 3 G1 horses from the 2010 running!
     
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    MY TITANIA runs at Leopardstown tonight. She is the first STS runner in the ownership of the Tsui's and trained by John Oxx. She also holds an entry for the G1 Moyglare Stakes next month.
     
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    Updated Runners & Results

    AFTERNOON SUNLIGHT – 1 run, 0 win, 1 place - £939
    ANIPA – 2 runs, 0 win, 1 place - £433
    CALORIE – 3 runs, 0 win, 2 place - £2,415
    CASUAL SMILE – 1 run, 0 win, 1 place - £1,155
    DARENJANA – 1 run, 0 win, 1 place - €3,600
    JUVENILE LEAD – 1 run, 0 win, 0 place - £0 (died at 2)
    MY TITANIA - 1 run, 0 win, 1 place - £2,146
    PLACIDIA – 2 runs, 0 win, 0 place - £0
    SEA THE SKIES – 3 runs, 1 win, 2 place
    STARS OVER THE SEA – 3 runs, 1 win, 0 place - £4,817
    TIME AND SPACE – 1 run, 0 win, 0 place - €0
    VERBA STARS – 1 run, 0 win, 0 place - €0

    Entries coming up:

    16 August - MUNJAZ 6.30 Newmarket
    17 August - PSILOVEYOU 2.30 Doncaster
    18 August - KAMINARI - 3.40 Dundalk
    21 August - STARS OVER THE SEA - 2.30 York
     
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  9. Ron

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    Laying all Sea The Star's 2yos first time out seems profitable - so far

    Have any yet caught the eye as potential stars?
     
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    CASUAL SMILE looks to be one to keep on the right side of, she was very green but picked up well to come second on debut at Newmarket.

    I've been told that LUNASEA (the half-brother to Finsceal Beo in training with Luca Cumani) broke a knee on the gallops this week and needs a year's box rest. He is unlikely to see a racecourse. He cost £500,000 at the sales - ouch!
     
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    Isn't that the second knee to go?
     
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    I think so. To be fair the dam's side don't seem to be very sound: Finsceal Beo's first foal failed to make it to the racecourse due to injury. Named Finsceal Fior he is already at stud as a 3yo!
     
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    Inbred to that rogue Raise a Native I see. One line didn't affect Sea the Stars but start inbreeding to a horse who only stood up to 4 races and is known to pass on unsoundness and you may have a problem.
     
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    Why on earth would anyone breed a foal from a mare or stallion known to be unsound and worse still to have passed the unsoundness on? Can't speak for anything else but that wouldn't happen in afghan hounds, unless the breeder didn't have a clue and didn't seek advice.
     
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    Ron, Raise a Native was a really good horse as far as we know and he has been a great stallion in that he got Alydar, Mr Prospector, Miswaki (Urban Sea's sire) etc.. but there has been a growing concern that he and maybe even his sire is the cause of unsoundness. Basically that you can have too much of him in your pedigree. Native Dancer is a problem because he was Northern Dancer's damsire. Danehill has two crosses of Native Dancer close up as well.
    Some judges are just saying if you use a sire who has strains of RtN in it make sure the dam is sound and got good sound genes. Difficult!!?
     
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    It is always a difficult call on whether or not to breed from lightly raced/unsound individuals. Don't forget Danzig was pretty unsound, managing just three races (all of which he won) before bad knees forced his retirement.
     
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    It depends whether the unsoundness is a result of an injury or bad conformation (bearing in mind the latter could of course have been the root cause of an injury). If it's a conformation problem I would not knowingly touch it (aware as I am of exceptions to the rule).
     
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    Crepello wasn't sound but his family was generally sound and his sire definitely was. He wasn't too bad as a sire of sound horses.

    Pinza was unsound and generally got unsound stock

    Difficult as I say. Raise a Native and Danzig were both so fast it was worth trying and you've got to say they are both great sires. But overegg the custard and you might just end up with a problem
     
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    MUNJAZ third at Newmarket.
     
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