Why don't Guillible admit he has made another mistake? It seems that it is the P&A problem not PAFC as some think. They must be short of cash to do what they are doing by sending these invoices. They have been a joke from day one and nothing changes, Guillible your a crook now its about timeyou wound your neck in and done one, Happy New Year! to you all. Rant over
It really warms the cockles of your heart to know that P & A will never forget Plymouth Argyle .... we wont let them
The invoices have gone out identifying the administration because the events [e.g the engagement party] occurred during the period of administration and therefore the related income is due to the creditors who lost money, not PAFC - and NB not to the administrators. It's not the date of the invoice that places the income on the calendar, it's the date of the event that's being charged for. PAFC will pick up its own income only from the point the administration ends [or ended]. This does not alter the fact that the records of who booked what, who has been invoiced for what etc etc are I'm sure still being maintained at Home Park and it is these base level tasks that will have triggered the generation of the invoices, not some whim on Guilfoyle's part. Administrators do not parachute in their own admin staff & systems to operate their client companies during the administration, they use the facilities that are already there. If you think about it for just a moment you'll realise: a) It would be logistically impossible to bring in your own facilities at short notice, at any location, in different types of business at any sort of sensible cost, For a large, complex business, this could require hundreds of skilled people at a moment's notice and sophisticated, bespoke computer systems. That's just not feasible. b) It would instantly make all the existing office staff redundant and create a break in transaction processing & history between two systems so that any buyer would then be taking on a business without any working administration process - not an attractive prospect. Quite the reverse, the administrators first task will be to ensure that key staff don't disappear and systems don't falter to ensure that he has a going-concern business, capable of generating income, to sell. So, whatever P&A have been doing, and whatever letter-heading has been loaded into the printer and whichever printer it comes out of, they've been using the people & systems at Home Park to do the basic record keeping to make it happen. More worryingly to me is that if people can be charged twice, then there is clearly insufficient tie up between physical events [e.g. the party] and invoicing. There ought to be a system to ensure that every event creates one invoice and that would prevent double charging. But also, if things can be charged for twice, that cross-reference system isn't working and presumably it's equally possible for things not to be charged for at all...............
Hope fully the im competent clown by the name of Guillible will not be carrying out any more work for other clubs, him and the shower he works for should be investigated and he should be struck off, as he was only in it for the bungs
What I would like to know then if the Administrators use the staff of the business they are supposedly saving then do they pay them for that use? If not then perhaps PAFC should invoice them for the staff hours they used. I admire your stollid defence of the Admin people notdistant as I guess from a number of your posts you work in that sort of industry and are in a sense defending your own but you will have to go a very very long way to convince people that they are whiter than white. People think, maybe wrongly, that they bungled their work with PAFC and as time goes on and things like this happen it reinforces that belief. The thing is that if things look dodgy then often there is an element of truth in it and the absolute vast majority can find some things in their work to raise eyebrows over. I would not go so far as to call them crooked or state there were motives preset in what they did but as I have said before, appearance suggests that at least and to the layman appearance is everything. It now appears as if there is no scrutiny of the proceedings open to the public to see. That is only going to serve to stoke the fires of unrest and will certainly do nothing to put the issue to bed. You still seem to maintain that it was NOT the Administrators who are chasing money from people eroneously and they are innocent. Well it was them who were the overseers of the Administration process and it is them who should have ensured that processes were in place that worked. This is basic office management and if they are not capable of the basics then you have to question their competence to oversee the main purpose of their involvement. Maybe it is time for these processes of Administration to be inspected like many other things are. They should be accountable and the standard of their work rated for all to see. If they are found wanting then be made to put things right and if found wanting again and again then not employed at all.
Brendan Guilfoyle might not be crooked in his dealings but.............he wasn't beyond giving the totally skint staff just one more kicking in the guts over missing yet one more payment..........which went wrong for him when challenged by the Fans Trust and Brent..........capitulation is the word that comes to mind.........bit off more than he could chew.
Sensible No I don't work in anything approaching administration but I have worked for businesses that have lost money to failed companies and bitched endlessly about the level of fees the administrators suck out of them. However, we were professional enough to know it was OUR fault we lost money - we spent a lot of effort in assessing and managing the credit risk in our customers and losing money meant we'd got it wrong. The staff in the business go on doing what they've always done and their costs fall on the business as they've always done. The administrator merely takes up the management from the directors under the supervision of the court and doesn't trade the company on his own account. I'm merely stating that those processes go on unchanged so if false bills have been issued, then the root cause lies in the office administration. Contrary to what you may think, an administrator [or indeed the directors] don't see every tuppenny-ha'penny invoice that goes out in the best of circumstances, reliance is placed on the relevant staff to do it right. We don't know what systems were in place of indeed the awful stress the staff were under. Something seems to have gone wrong but it's a cock-up in the office not some evil plan.
All I will do is repeat that appearance is everything notdistant. To the layman they appear incompetant ergo in their eyes they are and you can lecture them all day long and you will not shake that belief. If you are in charge then it is your fault even if it isn't directly.
Hey sensible............I've just noticed your rumours about Dumbo..........stop it............you'll be telling me next that it wasn't Father Christmas who ate the mince pie and drank the sherry in the fireplace on Christmas night.............I blame the government at times like this.
plymborn, plymborn.......how can I break this to you gently........It wasn't him you've been burgled.
Nah......impossible........my Paddington Bear is still here.......had to be Father Christmas...........someones got to believe.
If people want to form opinions on the basis of..... I don't know what.... that's their prerogative Sensible. If they want to get manipulated by rumourmongers and those with an axe to grind, more fool them. It sure as hell doesn't get it anywhere near the truth but then, in this tabloid newspaper, reality TV, attention span of a gnat age, what can you say? Everyone is famous for 15 minutes apparently even if it's only for receiving an easily resolved bill-in-error. I bet we never hear a dickie-bird when the false bills are cancelled without dispute.
Keep digging notdistant and eventually you may get some sunlight on the subject but for the masses, as said, rightly or wrongly, they will not agree with you. I have no idea what the truth of it all is and neither have you to be fair. This or that may be normal practice but I repeat one more time, appearance is everything. If something doesn't look right then whether it is or not in reality then it isn't.
