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Scottish Independence

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Leo, Aug 18, 2014.

  1. Spurf

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    Why do you bother, I am not interested in your biggoted small view of the world. Your arguments are limited which is why this constant stream of insults.
     
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  2. Spurf

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    Excellent news. <party>
     
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  3. colognehornet

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    Unfortunately Leo an English parliament would not solve the north south divide in England - in fact it may give even more power to the home counties. The problem which exists in England (as well as Britain) is that not all regions feel represented by our present Westminster set up. It is not just Scotland that has hardly any Con/Lib MPs but nearly all cities in the north of England. Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield, Stoke, the North East etc. none of them have MPs sitting in the present ruling coalition - and are constantly outvoted by the home counties - just as Scotland is. Britain needs decentralization to give these areas a voice in the future politics of Britain. You ask how roads are maintained, or the NHS, - look at other examples of federal systems and how they do this. In some cases countries smaller than England - look at how Switzerland manages to keep its multi lingual population together. To, assume, as you do, that we have won and Spurf has lost is short sighted in the extreme. The Scotland question has not been resolved for ever - they have placed their trust in the UK by voting the way they have, and we have to justify that trust by our actions. They have placed a certain amount of trust in Britain remaining within the UK - what happens if that trust is misplaced ? Many, many Scots who voted yes did it for reasons other than establishing the 'Peoples Socialist Republic of Scotland`which you imagine - or do you think that anyone on the moderate side of Attila the Hun is a leftie ?
     
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  4. Leo

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    To deal with the Scots part first - my reply to Spurf was simply a response to his pathetic new "article". He has shown his cards and is no longer interesting so I cannot be bothered with him anymore - he thinks we are all simpletons - no doubt as we support lil ol Watford and he supports the great London giants Spurs. However there will not be another referendum for a generation so any future resolution for Scotland could well be along the lines of a resolution of England's solution if ever found -not by Independence.

    England is a country and has to have MPs from England to govern it. Gemany has a national parliament as do all other major countries. You cannot just exclude England and go straight to regions. To use Scotland as an example Glasgow has shown itself out of kilter with the rest of Scotland - large urban areas are always likely to be more left leaning. You say Birmingham et al do not have MPs in our present coalition - correct - but in the previous Labour gevernment - lots of counties had no MPs in teh ruling government. That is the nature of Democracy. That switches and switches about - depending on how far right or left the electorate swings.

    If the election result is Tory / Liberal labour areas are not represented in government but ARE in the House of Commons. You rprescription seems to be to ensure htat large conurbations are always in goverment - why should they be.

    England needs to have an English Parliament - however that English Parliament needs to try to foster growth in all areas of the country.
     
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    What's the intention of this? To say that No supporters are perpetuating a cycle of poverty which leads to images such as this?
     
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  6. Leo

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    Dan - ignore it - these are the dying throws of a person who cannot accept defeat graciously - he insulted us all throughout the campaign and is now sucking on sour grapes.. In fact by voting No the Scots are likely to do far better - they will effectively get their own control over Scotland and still be part of a larger whole to shield the from rough times. A yes vote would have seen them leave the EU and have to set up a parallel or separate currency with enormous cost implications - they have been saved from disaster and are still our "cousins". Good for them.
     
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    Agreed <ok> Of course we should ignore but that post really made my blood boil. Still, onwards and upwards.
     
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  8. aberdeenhornet

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    Just got back to the United Kingdom and Aberdeen.... how refreshing to see the streets devoid of propaganda and society moving forward. It's time to move on, thankfully Scotland chose the best course forward and even Mr Salmond has accepted defeat graciously, there will always be extremists who cannot accept democracy and if it had been a yes result there would have been a load of No equivalents of Spurf shouting the odds. Proud of our Scottish brothers and to be fair Salmond has got Westminster to commit to probably the best plan for Scotland and it will have ignited the rights for England brigades so we should see better process developing in Westminster. I reckon it's time to close this thread now and move onto the "UK Forward Together" issues that are where we need to concentrate to build a better society for our children and grandchildren. Next thread can we disable attachments and only allow "original thought"????
     
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  9. Bloother

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    Loooooooooooser
     
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  10. colognehornet

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    I think you are underestimating the scale of differences in the UK. Leo. There are regional differences in voting behaviour in all European countries - but nowhere is this so extreme as in England. The Labour party could have a headless duck contesting Barnsley and still have him elected - the same goes for the Tories in Surrey. Also, there are much larger divisions of wealth and opportunity in Britain than in most other countries - often depending on where you were born. There is also a difference in life expectancy - a difference of about 8 years between Manchester and Hull on the one hand, and the home counties on the other - Westminster have had 200 years of centralized government to iron out these differences but have failed. The divisions are not just between the north and the south - others on here have commented upon visiting Cornish towns and having the feeling of being in a time warp there. So many British citizens feel that the UK. was not made for them - and the Scottish theme was just a symbol of a deeper malaise in British society. You say that the Scottish have voted once and there will be no second attempt - If we leave the EU and Scotland therefore grows to regret the trust it has placed in us will you be prepared to shrug your shoulders and say 'they had their chance' knowing that they want out but can't.
     
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    [video=youtube;MXJk2ZodaNw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MXJk2ZodaNw[/video]
     
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  12. yorkshirehornet

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    I notice that fish face is starting to whine on about UK parties already reneging on the deal <doh>

    The guy really does have inferiority issues... and his constant lambasting of other leaders does nothing for his case.


    Yes time to go and let others build a new future.....

    ( as should someone else.....)
     
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  13. yorkshirehornet

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    Can one of our moderators comment on this please. This is now bordering on abuse of the thread by a poster from another club.... and I note a 'moderator' too <doh>

    Seriously though I am mightily bored with this poster.
     
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  14. Leo

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    Yorkie - I am totally opposed to censorship - do what I am doing - do not read or reply to anything he now posts. He lost the debate and now just wants to stir us up - best to ignore him. This thread has served its purpose anyway. I tend to agree with Aberdeen's post above - the debate for those of us who enjoy a little political discussion (many don't) can be carried on elsewhere. In fact Cologne and I have been talking about the English side of politics quite a bit recently on the Pure Politics thread. Rather than start a new English Independence thread or whatever I am going to reply to his latest points back on that thread. Hopefully Spurf will have the decency to not follow us there.
     
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  15. yorkshirehornet

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    cheers lenny.. <ok>
     
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