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Scottish Independence and other political topics.

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  1. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    There will be devolution of some sort and it looks like the Tories are going with devolution across the uk is better than just devolution for Scotland. With labour just agreeing with Scotland getting more power but not anyone else. The Tories will come out this looking better. And there won't be another referendum.
     
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  2. afcftw

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    Even if the snp get loads of seats in the next general election another referendum is never going to be called that quickly, there would be a public outcry across the uk and the government would look weak leading to even more uncertainty in the markets and a knock to our economic recovery. There is no chance that the next govnment is going to give another referendum. Your dreaming if you think that's even a possibility.
     
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  3. Spurf

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    Try not to sound so desperate about the next referendum. <laugh>

    I hear your view, I just don't agree with it.
     
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  4. DevAdvocate

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    Milliband and Cameron are already arguing. Milliband to his credit is arguing that the Vow was made to Scotland and therefore a priority, Brown has sided with him. Cameron thinks the new devolved powers for Scotland should be dealt with at the same time as the arrangements for English regional semi autonomy and that of Wales.

    The Vow looks to be on shaky ground.
     
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  5. The RDBD

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    "The Tories will come out this looking better."

    As I said, they are on day one looking like killing N birds with one stone.
    With 8 months to go, Labour are looking in danger now both in Scotland and England.
     
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    I never said anything even close to that. <laugh>


     
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  7. afcftw

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    I'm not desperate at all. It just won't happen. It's called certainty, not desperation.
     
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    It's nice to see that the Yes campaign has taken it's massive loss so well.
    Anyone might think that they had no respect for the democratic process if they weren't so accepting of the result.
     
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    The debate has only just begun in England but some will have found out what happened in Scotland and this will fuel the discussion. If Cameron goes for UK wide devolution this will blow the debate wide open in the whole of the UK and I am quite sure it will then break up. The UK is dying it's just a question of how long it takes.
     
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    Then you don't understand how politics works I'm afraid.
     
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  11. Boss

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    You have to allow the Yes supporter to cling onto hope for another referendum and while there is likely to be another, you're talking about a time when everything as we know it will have changed, Spurf will have retired to Cyprus, Thor will finally have got his operation and we may even be in our new stadium. But let them wonder about '' what could have been '' yet Scotland is part of Great Britain and will be for a very long time.
     
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  12. afcftw

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    It's not going to break up, Scotland are the most vocal about independence and they've voted against it by a large margin. Devolution of powers for better control of the country could help the United Kingdom flourish and evolve the the current stagnant political landscape.
     
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    We are looking at it as a massive move forward. We only needed another 5% that is hardly massive. We went from 25% to 45% THAT is massive.

    PNP spare me your bullshit <laugh> the democratic process was guided (to use a gentle term) by a MASSIVE propaganda machine. This was not a level playing field.
     
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  14. DevAdvocate

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    Who's not taking it well? Is the discourse to end just because the referendum is over? <laugh>

    I for one am not losing any sleep over something which was always out of my my control, it's like a football match, it may be over but people will try and discuss it amicably without recriminations.

    Besides, The People, seem to be determined to rub fellow Scots' noses in it even if that means resorting to violence. That's worse than a few people unhappy with the outcome surely?
     
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    Dream on! <laugh>
     
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  16. afcftw

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    Feel free to give me any examples historically of two referendums of this kind being held in a short period of time. But I'd suggest if you think after voting No so strongly this time around that any government anytime soon is going to call another referendum then it's you who doesn't understand politics.
     
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    1.6million is a very small minority of the UK population. As scotland is still part of the uk due to popular demand its only fair we look at it as a whole now. Its no longer about scotland but the whole uk.

    In % terms, whats 1.6million out of 65million?
     
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  18. PleaseNotPoll

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    The influence of a massive propaganda machine didn't seem to bother you when linking to an Russia Today clip, Spurf.
    This is the stuff of fanatics. The Yes campaign lost and simply won't accept it. I wish I was surprised.
     
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    Ed milliband saying there is "no case" to deny 16-17 year olds the vote in future elections..
     
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  20. DevAdvocate

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    I agree with him <yikes>
     
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