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Science - It's life Jim but not as we know it...

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  1. brb

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    I've edited a few mistakes, soz.
     
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    The future is what happens in the next second, the past is what happened the previous second and the present is the second between the two
     
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    For many many years since I first read the bible chapter Genesis and then compared it to Darwins Theory of Evolution and Scientific evidence of the history of our Solar System I have thought that if you accept that one of gods days is a Billion years then the Bible and the Theory of Evolutional.plus scientific evidence make sense
     
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    My brain is still questioning your previous comment...now it's gone to spaghetti lol
     
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    My explanation was the same but much simpler
     
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    That's very true. Didn't like the title of that site anyway.
     
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  8. Archers Road

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    Will reply to this post when I have more time; if I get round to it. In the meantime, you may be interested in the book The Order of Time by Carlo Rovelli. Rovelli is a physicist who uses General Relativity, thermodynamics and quantum theory to deconstruct time, and ponder it’s many mysteries.

    Also, some stuff about time I came across recently on the website Quora; We know the universe is expanding, right? But what is it expanding into? Probably lots of us have wondered about that. Apparently the answer from cosmology is, since time is a dimension, the universe is expanding into the future. Indeed, anything that exists outside the universe exists (if it exists at all) in the future. The singularity at the centre of a black hole, for example, exists (if it exists at all) only in the future. Einstein’s equations say that however close you get to that singularity, it will always be in your future. So perhaps it’s not the present that’s real after all, and only the future is.
     

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    So the present lasts exactly one second? Which bit of the present second is now? By the time you’ve noticed it, it’s the past.
     
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    Our brains do not operate in segments of time less than a second, only modern technology measures time as fractions of a second

    Watch the second hand of a clock or watch going from 55 seconds to the hour mark, the hour mark was the future until the second hand reached it, then a second later it was the past,
     
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    I love the curiosity of it all. You are right btw, I think my brain could get round easier the thinking of the future being real, what is to be, rather than the present, even though I don't know what conclusions I would come to...which then leads into the next question lol...is the future predetermined. Spaghetti and more spaghetti. Can we change the course of fate, Groundhog day. Crikey to think we might have to do all this all again if we are in one of Penrose's multi universes.
     
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    There was a debate in philosophy of science which lasted a few hundred years, about whether the future was determined. And there is something called Block Time Theory, which says past, present and future all co-exist simultaneously (though not to us as conscious observers). Special Relativity actually uses aspects of this theory, to provide a time dimension for SatNavs.

    19th century astronomer Pierre Laplace speculated that if there was a demon which had knowledge of all the laws of physics, and all the information about the universe, it should be able to use that knowledge to perfectly predict the future. The modern day version of the LePlace Demon would be a super computer; feed all the info about every particle in the universe into the all powerful computer, and out would come accurate predictions of everything that was about to happen in the future.

    But quantum physics seems to rule this out, for two reasons; firstly, Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle proved mathematically that it is not possible to have all the information about a sub atomic particle, because the more accurately you can identify it’s location, the less accurately you can measure it’s momentum. As one property of an entity comes into focus, the more blurred other properties become. And then there’s the way quantum physics points at an irreducible randomness in nature. There are no certainties in quantum physics, only probabilities.

    The future isn’t written yet, quantum physics says, because the universe is not deterministic, it’s probabilistic. Anything can happen, and all the laws and all the knowledge and understanding in the world can’t tell us what’s going to happen next. Einstein didn’t like this idea at all btw, and famously made the statement “God does not play dice”. But his friend, the equally brilliant (yes, really) Niels Bohr replied, “Stop telling God what to do with His dice.”
     
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    Evolution is a paranoid atheists comfort blanket

    Typical human mindset of making something understandable to the limits of their own mind

    We are not the same humans as we used to be, why haven’t we started to evolve in any way shape or form physically to adapt to our surroundings?

    no sign of wings since we love flying

    no sign of us becoming jelly fish since many are lazy ****s who like to sit down all day rendering the spine useless over time init

    Darwin was a clever **** who prolly smoked some good ****
     
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    In the many videos I've watched, I remember one that spoke along your lines.

    I can't remember what the video was actually about now, but she is a neurosurgeon, and she didn't believe in evolution, the reason she said this is because she said the brain is so complex, it can never have evolved from monkeys. I've just rememebered she was talking about strokes and how they affect human beings - she went into quite some detail about strokes to the brain on the left side or right side, and what great difference it makes dependent on the side of the stoke. One side you can still function, but the other side you can't, and she told how the brain on the side that can function how it can adapt, from built in mechanisms.

    She said that it is so complex, that if you try making one alteration to the brain, everything else has to fall in line within the brain, and this is where the problems all come into play with neurosurgery, she said there is no way nature could cope with this in evolution, according to her.

    Now like everything I'm not saying if she is right or wrong, she is far more intelligent than me for me to tell her she is wrong lol, but I listen and store the information and it all becomes part of the spaghetti that I enjoy. I did find it fascinating though, that this was a top neurosurgeon saying no to evolution. I didn't put the vid up on here, because it was long and I knew it would bore the shhite out of everyone.

    Btw the answer to your chicken and egg scenario previously is the egg came first, but not in the form that we see it today with the hardshell. Again, that's not my view but one of many views that is passed as part of evolution, totally contradicting everything I said in the first part of this conversation lol.

    Anyway I think it;s interesting and it actually makes me think more about god, why, because when you look at the complexities of everything, you seriously have to question how this all came into being. Do I believe in the big bang, I question it is my answer to that, like everything I need the proof I can never get, until maybe when I die and IF there is anything on the other side

    I will take up one bone of contention with you, saying atheists use, 'Evolution is a paranoid atheists comfort blanket' like everything in life, you don't know, you can only believe and only when you die will you know if you are right or wrong, but even then, you may not. Our brains are indoctrinated probably before we are even born, for me the questions are there to be asked and quite rightly as you have done as we all do on here, they are there to be challenged to.
     
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    I enjoy your answers, you clever old sod. I like the bit from Einstein 'God does not play dice.' - I often believe you can't change your fate. Everything in life is intertwined and everything in life, absolutely everything is destined to die, including our sun, our Earth and everything else in the universe, maybe...
     
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    Where do the people come from? Adam & Eve had 2 sons, and one murdered the other.
     
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    Yeah, everything in the observable material world, the world that science is concerned with, has a beginning, a middle and an end. This world is not populated by things, as we tend to think it is, but by events. You and I are processes, stories in the process of being told; we have our exits and our entrances, and when our stories end, if we are lucky, someone will remember us.

    But here’s the trick; the world we think of as real, solid, and tangible, is as insubstantial as the clouds. It’s an illusion and as such, it vanishes into thin air, as soon as it arrives. The moment only exists when we observe it, and as soon as we observe it, it’s gone; physics tells us this.


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    what gives these moments any substance is our memory?

    that’s why one of the first things we do or should do to move on from something is to forget it

    init
     
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    Our characters are the sum of our memories, in a sense.

    Holding on to painful memories can hold us back in life. But burying them isn’t always healthy either; the trick is letting go, but letting go isn’t easy.
     
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    A good philosophy, but everyone still remembers you got beaten at home by Ipswich.
     
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