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I’m convinced there is some interest and that Ashley has leaked the info to get everyone into a bidding war....

... just before he managed to create the circumstances in which once again a deal falls through and he can claim to be a willing seller when he isn’t...

I looked up info on whether a leak has any effect on a takeover - you'll not be surprised to find out that it does, in favour of the seller. It's also not a quantum leap to realise reports of other bidders is another relatively cheap tactic to get premium value. Would anyone be remotely surprised at Ashley employing archaic methods, risking a deal, for a few extra quid? By all accounts he's done it three times already, and on to the fourth we go.

Look at his ownership of Newcastle. The last time we had a really stupid set-up, with scouts picking the players and a "head coach" doing what he can with them, we got relegated. This was back with Wise/Keegan/Kinnear/Shearer A few years later, the exact same **** happened with Carr, McLaren and eventually Rafa. We're now doing it a THIRD time and barring some remarkable luck continuing, will go down again - if not this season, then next. It's beyond any comprehension that this happens at the behest of a man "worth" £3 BILLION. Yet it does. History, really bad history, keeps repeating. The same mistakes are made time and time again. It's mystifying that anyone so apparently stupid can be rich enough to own a club - yet own one he does.

It seems logical, therefore, to expect him to keep making the same "mistakes" - deliberate or otherwise - repeatedly in failed "attempts" to sell the club. Whatever he's doing that isn't working, he'll just keep doing. Reminds me a bit of Bruce picking the same formation, same players, in some mystifying attempt to make it work. We might as well have monkeys drawing on a whiteboard, eventually it will work.

If the bid was't real, the club could deny it. They don't. Does that make it real? In all likelihood, yes. But there's a huge caveat - if Mike really wanted more bidders, real ones I mean, he could release a statement to say that the club are in negotiations. Any standby bidders would be quick to make a move. Of course, he doesn't do this either. It's like saying you're selling your house, but doing it on the quiet - why would you do that? There's NO logical reason for not saying something about it. NDA's would only apply to buyers an'all, so that doesn't add up. It's all just painfully baffling.

Again we go back to previous; the club has always maintained silence in any matter which should be in the public domain. Typically this then results in failure to explain anything, followed by a staged interview with a media stooge like Craig David, or Martin Samuel, painting a picture of innocence. Everybody can see it's a facade, that he's sticking two fingers up, but nobody dares challenge him. And he loves it. He loves the fact he's untouchable, that the rest of us are powerless, in his thrall He's a ****ing sociopath, so any guessing is pointless. The only way to even attempt to second guess our fat overlord is to think of the worst outcome, and you'll not be far wrong. Just look at the comments last year about the manager situation; the worst outcome most of us feared was Bruce. See? We were right then.
 
I looked up info on whether a leak has any effect on a takeover - you'll not be surprised to find out that it does, in favour of the seller. It's also not a quantum leap to realise reports of other bidders is another relatively cheap tactic to get premium value. Would anyone be remotely surprised at Ashley employing archaic methods, risking a deal, for a few extra quid? By all accounts he's done it three times already, and on to the fourth we go.

Look at his ownership of Newcastle. The last time we had a really stupid set-up, with scouts picking the players and a "head coach" doing what he can with them, we got relegated. This was back with Wise/Keegan/Kinnear/Shearer A few years later, the exact same **** happened with Carr, McLaren and eventually Rafa. We're now doing it a THIRD time and barring some remarkable luck continuing, will go down again - if not this season, then next. It's beyond any comprehension that this happens at the behest of a man "worth" £3 BILLION. Yet it does. History, really bad history, keeps repeating. The same mistakes are made time and time again. It's mystifying that anyone so apparently stupid can be rich enough to own a club - yet own one he does.

It seems logical, therefore, to expect him to keep making the same "mistakes" - deliberate or otherwise - repeatedly in failed "attempts" to sell the club. Whatever he's doing that isn't working, he'll just keep doing. Reminds me a bit of Bruce picking the same formation, same players, in some mystifying attempt to make it work. We might as well have monkeys drawing on a whiteboard, eventually it will work.

If the bid was't real, the club could deny it. They don't. Does that make it real? In all likelihood, yes. But there's a huge caveat - if Mike really wanted more bidders, real ones I mean, he could release a statement to say that the club are in negotiations. Any standby bidders would be quick to make a move. Of course, he doesn't do this either. It's like saying you're selling your house, but doing it on the quiet - why would you do that? There's NO logical reason for not saying something about it. NDA's would only apply to buyers an'all, so that doesn't add up. It's all just painfully baffling.

Again we go back to previous; the club has always maintained silence in any matter which should be in the public domain. Typically this then results in failure to explain anything, followed by a staged interview with a media stooge like Craig David, or Martin Samuel, painting a picture of innocence. Everybody can see it's a facade, that he's sticking two fingers up, but nobody dares challenge him. And he loves it. He loves the fact he's untouchable, that the rest of us are powerless, in his thrall He's a ****ing sociopath, so any guessing is pointless. The only way to even attempt to second guess our fat overlord is to think of the worst outcome, and you'll not be far wrong. Just look at the comments last year about the manager situation; the worst outcome most of us feared was Bruce. See? We were right then.
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Mike's only "selling", this and every time, on the most unreasonable terms he can muster, hence why he "fails" to sell every time there's a buyer. Same tactics - goalposts moving, buy a season box, pay £250k, installments or not, etc. - each time, same result. Expect an exclusive interview with Martin Hardy in the next 6-8 weeks bleating on about club records, ungrateful fans and tyre-kicking buyers.
 
I looked up info on whether a leak has any effect on a takeover - you'll not be surprised to find out that it does, in favour of the seller. It's also not a quantum leap to realise reports of other bidders is another relatively cheap tactic to get premium value. Would anyone be remotely surprised at Ashley employing archaic methods, risking a deal, for a few extra quid? By all accounts he's done it three times already, and on to the fourth we go.

Look at his ownership of Newcastle. The last time we had a really stupid set-up, with scouts picking the players and a "head coach" doing what he can with them, we got relegated. This was back with Wise/Keegan/Kinnear/Shearer A few years later, the exact same **** happened with Carr, McLaren and eventually Rafa. We're now doing it a THIRD time and barring some remarkable luck continuing, will go down again - if not this season, then next. It's beyond any comprehension that this happens at the behest of a man "worth" £3 BILLION. Yet it does. History, really bad history, keeps repeating. The same mistakes are made time and time again. It's mystifying that anyone so apparently stupid can be rich enough to own a club - yet own one he does.

It seems logical, therefore, to expect him to keep making the same "mistakes" - deliberate or otherwise - repeatedly in failed "attempts" to sell the club. Whatever he's doing that isn't working, he'll just keep doing. Reminds me a bit of Bruce picking the same formation, same players, in some mystifying attempt to make it work. We might as well have monkeys drawing on a whiteboard, eventually it will work.

If the bid was't real, the club could deny it. They don't. Does that make it real? In all likelihood, yes. But there's a huge caveat - if Mike really wanted more bidders, real ones I mean, he could release a statement to say that the club are in negotiations. Any standby bidders would be quick to make a move. Of course, he doesn't do this either. It's like saying you're selling your house, but doing it on the quiet - why would you do that? There's NO logical reason for not saying something about it. NDA's would only apply to buyers an'all, so that doesn't add up. It's all just painfully baffling.

Again we go back to previous; the club has always maintained silence in any matter which should be in the public domain. Typically this then results in failure to explain anything, followed by a staged interview with a media stooge like Craig David, or Martin Samuel, painting a picture of innocence. Everybody can see it's a facade, that he's sticking two fingers up, but nobody dares challenge him. And he loves it. He loves the fact he's untouchable, that the rest of us are powerless, in his thrall He's a ****ing sociopath, so any guessing is pointless. The only way to even attempt to second guess our fat overlord is to think of the worst outcome, and you'll not be far wrong. Just look at the comments last year about the manager situation; the worst outcome most of us feared was Bruce. See? We were right then.


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This narrative that Ashley is to blame when various, often potless, chancers, often with form, attempt to buy the club, really does not stand up to investigation. Manchester United was effectually brought with it's own money!
Loathe him or despise him, Ashley doesn't do instalments. There is no reason why he would change that.
Keys is correct, if these people (or the Russian group, or the American group etc), actually have the money and want the club, I believe they will get it. We're told this is pocket money for the Saudi guy.
Just as the Sun pretend journalists came up with the Benitez back to Newcastle story for a laugh, the media is responsible for all sorts of bollocks to sell papers (Longstaff to Manchester etc.). When not much is happening, they recycle stuff they've used before.
Story breaks in an American newspaper, suddenly other papers are claiming they have known about it but not published (yeah right!), suddenly up pops 2 other consortiums and you guys claim it's all Ashley.
Apart from hanging on until we win the cup this year, why would he not want to sell? He ain't making any real money out of it and the way he is treated is hardly good for his actual money making empire reputation.
if you like, this is like the Captain's scattering approach to facts. 95% of the time, it's all bollocks, sometimes, there is an element of truth, once every blue moon, he comes up with a gem.
Alternatively, if an infinite number of monkeys sat at typewriters, at least one of them would reproduce a work of Shakespeare. :)

The story broke from the Wall Street Journal, look at you comparing it with The Sun <laugh>

Mike said that if BZG had so much why wouldn't they pay an extra 10m fee he stuck on. He had a price and added to it, that's not somebody who particularly wants to sell a business is it. He makes advertising off it mate or he wouldn't have taken us off the market periodically and slapped SD signs everywhere. Did you honestly think he bought us in the first place for his love of the toon or football?

Anyway Mike got drunk and pissed off Man City's buyers in negotiations, what cretin believes he is just getting hard done to by multiple bidders over a decade?

There is an irony in you talking about Captain in a post that's 100% nonsense with the added bonus of a defence of Richard Keys.
 
I looked up info on whether a leak has any effect on a takeover - you'll not be surprised to find out that it does, in favour of the seller. It's also not a quantum leap to realise reports of other bidders is another relatively cheap tactic to get premium value. Would anyone be remotely surprised at Ashley employing archaic methods, risking a deal, for a few extra quid? By all accounts he's done it three times already, and on to the fourth we go.

Look at his ownership of Newcastle. The last time we had a really stupid set-up, with scouts picking the players and a "head coach" doing what he can with them, we got relegated. This was back with Wise/Keegan/Kinnear/Shearer A few years later, the exact same **** happened with Carr, McLaren and eventually Rafa. We're now doing it a THIRD time and barring some remarkable luck continuing, will go down again - if not this season, then next. It's beyond any comprehension that this happens at the behest of a man "worth" £3 BILLION. Yet it does. History, really bad history, keeps repeating. The same mistakes are made time and time again. It's mystifying that anyone so apparently stupid can be rich enough to own a club - yet own one he does.

It seems logical, therefore, to expect him to keep making the same "mistakes" - deliberate or otherwise - repeatedly in failed "attempts" to sell the club. Whatever he's doing that isn't working, he'll just keep doing. Reminds me a bit of Bruce picking the same formation, same players, in some mystifying attempt to make it work. We might as well have monkeys drawing on a whiteboard, eventually it will work.

If the bid was't real, the club could deny it. They don't. Does that make it real? In all likelihood, yes. But there's a huge caveat - if Mike really wanted more bidders, real ones I mean, he could release a statement to say that the club are in negotiations. Any standby bidders would be quick to make a move. Of course, he doesn't do this either. It's like saying you're selling your house, but doing it on the quiet - why would you do that? There's NO logical reason for not saying something about it. NDA's would only apply to buyers an'all, so that doesn't add up. It's all just painfully baffling.

Again we go back to previous; the club has always maintained silence in any matter which should be in the public domain. Typically this then results in failure to explain anything, followed by a staged interview with a media stooge like Craig David, or Martin Samuel, painting a picture of innocence. Everybody can see it's a facade, that he's sticking two fingers up, but nobody dares challenge him. And he loves it. He loves the fact he's untouchable, that the rest of us are powerless, in his thrall He's a ****ing sociopath, so any guessing is pointless. The only way to even attempt to second guess our fat overlord is to think of the worst outcome, and you'll not be far wrong. Just look at the comments last year about the manager situation; the worst outcome most of us feared was Bruce. See? We were right then.

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The story broke from the Wall Street Journal, look at you comparing it with The Sun <laugh>

Mike said that if BZG had so much why wouldn't they pay an extra 10m fee he stuck on. He had a price and added to it, that's not somebody who particularly wants to sell a business is it. He makes advertising off it mate or he wouldn't have taken us off the market periodically and slapped SD signs everywhere. Did you honestly think he bought us in the first place for his love of the toon or football?

Anyway Mike got drunk and pissed off Man City's buyers in negotiations, what cretin believes he is just getting hard done to by multiple bidders over a decade?

There is an irony in you talking about Captain in a post that's 100% nonsense with the added bonus of a defence of Richard Keys.
Mr Rebellious, there is absolutely no connection to what I said in my post and your interpretation of it. You also missed the loathe or despise bit and see me as an Ashley sympathiser. I also think Keys is a prick.
Ashley brought the club when it was in serious financial difficulty, it is in a sound financial position despite the football failures of various managers. Current league position (and cup run :) ) has upped the potential price, especially if there is one morsal of truth about other bidders. That's basic business sense.
At every level, football is riddled with bogus would be buyers. Who can forget the twat would be Manchester United owner playing keepy up in kit at half time?
I'd rather Ashley than some Saudi despot. I would rather see a team built not brought. We all want different things but that's life.
Your assertions are largely internet hearsay, not factual.
 
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Mr Rebellious, there is absolutely no connection to what I said in my post and your interpretation of it. You also missed the loathe or despise bit and see me as an Ashley sympathiser. I also think Keys is a prick.
Ashley brought the club website it was in serious financial difficulty, it is in a sound financial position despite the football failures of various managers. Current league position (and cup run :) ) has upped the potential price, especially if there is one morsal of truth about other bidders. That's basic business sense.
At every level, football is riddled with bogus would be buyers. Who can forget the twat would be Manchester United owner playing keepy up in kit at half time?
I'd rather Ashley than some Saudi despot. I would rather see a team built not brought. We all want different things but that's life.
Your assertions are largely internet hearsay, not factual.
leave me out of this
 
Mr Rebellious, there is absolutely no connection to what I said in my post and your interpretation of it. You also missed the loathe or despise bit and see me as an Ashley sympathiser. I also think Keys is a prick.
Ashley brought the club website it was in serious financial difficulty, it is in a sound financial position despite the football failures of various managers. Current league position (and cup run :) ) has upped the potential price, especially if there is one morsal of truth about other bidders. That's basic business sense.
At every level, football is riddled with bogus would be buyers. Who can forget the twat would be Manchester United owner playing keepy up in kit at half time?
I'd rather Ashley than some Saudi despot. I would rather see a team built not brought. We all want different things but that's life.
Your assertions are largely internet hearsay, not factual.

I'm oddly confused by why you keep going on about unrelated nonsense. MA has confirmed a bid agreed by BZG and the fact he upped it, this would obviously piss off a buyer. Wall Street journal and clubs 'no comment' confirms this recent bid. You talking about people paying installments was the hearsay bit, where you got that from?

It's great to want to see a team built but nobody's reaching CL with the MA model. We'll have to follow suit eventually just to stay in the division.
 
Mr Rebellious, there is absolutely no connection to what I said in my post and your interpretation of it. You also missed the loathe or despise bit and see me as an Ashley sympathiser. I also think Keys is a prick.
Ashley brought the club when it was in serious financial difficulty, it is in a sound financial position despite the football failures of various managers. Current league position (and cup run :) ) has upped the potential price, especially if there is one morsal of truth about other bidders. That's basic business sense.
At every level, football is riddled with bogus would be buyers. Who can forget the twat would be Manchester United owner playing keepy up in kit at half time?
I'd rather Ashley than some Saudi despot. I would rather see a team built not brought. We all want different things but that's life.
Your assertions are largely internet hearsay, not factual.

Wait....BUILD a team? With Ashley in charge? Ok then.

We're doing the "scout picks players from France" model. The one that got us relegated. Twice. The club is still in financial trouble - we owe £120m to Sports Direct.

BZG was bollocks. Most competent journo's discredited it. Staveley's £250m bid wasn't. This current bid most likely isn't. The bollocks is more likely from the Sun and Mirror, not aimed at us, but aimed to rile Man U fans further. They love creating malcontent, it's their jobs. That they get a dig in at us at the same time is just double bubble.

Saudi backing isn't the same as Saudi ownership. Both, however, are preferable to Ashley.