Off Topic SARS-CoV-2 Covid-19

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  1. tigerscanada

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    PETER HITCHENS: This Great Panic is foolish, yet our freedom is still broken and economy crippled
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    This is already a major problem in judging death totals from such countries as Italy. Yet new rules in the UK mean deaths which may well be mainly from other causes are recorded as corona deaths.

    John Lee, a recently retired professor of pathology and a former NHS consultant pathologist, writes in The Spectator this weekend that by making Covid-19 a notifiable disease, the authorities may have distorted the figures.

    ‘In the current climate, anyone with a positive test for Covid-19 will certainly be known to clinical staff looking after them: if any of these patients dies, staff will have to record the Covid-19 designation on the death certificate – contrary to usual practice for most infections of this kind.

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    ‘There is a big difference between Covid-19 causing death, and Covid-19 being found in someone who died of other causes.

    Making Covid-19 notifiable might give the appearance of it causing increasing numbers of deaths, whether this is true or not. It might appear far more of a killer than flu, simply because of the way deaths are recorded.’

    This, of course, explains why such an overwhelming number of Covid deaths, here and abroad, involve so-called ‘underlying conditions’, in fact serious, often fatal, diseases.

    Take this into account whenever you hear official figures of coronavirus deaths.

    Dr Lee adds, equally crucially: ‘We risk being convinced that we have averted something that was never really going to be as severe as we feared.’

    That is the heart of it. It was never going to be as bad as the panic-mongers said.

    The hysterical measures taken may well not have done any good. Yet our freedom is still bruised and broken, and our economy limping and deeply damaged.

    If we do not learn the right lessons from this grim episode, then we will, for certain, have to go through it all again.
     
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    Whoops not done the full Hitchens article but I’m off to bed as I mworking tomorrow

    well worth a read.
     
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    Same applies t’other way though
    Deaths prior to being tested aren’t recorded as they’re not confirmed
    No idea whether the two things cancel each other out, but just saying
     
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    And also they reported an inaccuracy in recording daily deaths because some were tested AFTER they had died.
    Supporting Hitchen's article, I do recall an early report from an 'expert' that many dying with underlying health issues were within a few months of dying anyway. It would be interesting to see those stats.
     
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    Hitchens logic, as usual, is sensationalism and flawed. We do not yet have a vaccine to combat the chances of infection.
    We may be 18 months away from having one that does the trick, but we don't bloody well know yet. We have effective opponents to flu (annually revisited), but nothing ready for this particular virus.
    The immediate objective is to minimize human contact and "transference". Hitchens is propogating panic by using the "freedom" card. Shame on him.
     
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    He is a waste of space !
    He just cant wait to take a swipe out of anything local !
    ****ing beats on about people not getting behind our football team but wants to deride everything else to do with the City !
    G R.A.D E A C.U.N T
     
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    Not all deaths are tested though.
    As ever you can come to lots of conclusions with the same data, particularly when there’s no way of using it agreed beforehand
     
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    please log in to view this image
     
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    I need help. My isolation is bringing on hallucinations. Sure I just read someone waxing lyrical about mushers
     
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    I see Saint Tony has woken up. I knew that **** wouldn't be able to keep his pie hole shut. Everyone should be tested. Right yeah. How does that work?
     
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    I think the Police need to be very, very careful here. They could be the ones to **** this up.

    There's a fair amount of goodwill and support for the measures at the moment, but if the Police are perceived to be being silly and over dramatic, as some news articles seem to suggest has happened in some circumstances and they have been in the past, that good will can evaporate almost immediately.

    They seem to be overcompensating for the front line workers getting all the attention, plus they're liable to be getting bored.
     
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    Genuinely, the first message in my inbox is a special discount offer from Go Outdoors. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    I'm sensing an anti curry sauce vibe running through this thread.

    Why no mention of the garnish of the gods eh?

    Set of saucist bastards.:emoticon-0108-speec
     
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    As far as I've read from the police their 111 & 999 numbers were being overused by people ringing about people breaking social distancing / groups etc. This is a measure to reduce unnecessary pressure on capacity. As one of the coppers in charge said somewhere, they're not going to act on someone going for a jog twice a day, though may up patrols in areas where large groups are meeting without reason. If numpties followed the guidelines we would not need this, though thoses who work in emergency services, some of the calls they get are 'unnecessary'
     
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    There is only one true sauce mate and it isn’t curry.

    Brown sauce, I don’t care who makes it. The only sauce you can have with haddock, chips and mushy peas is brown.

    Also salt and vinegar, none of this spice stuff.
     
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    I reckon the Allams should offer the use of the KC, it’s a morgue every other saturday anyway
     
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  20. tigerscanada

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    For accuracy, has to be malt.
     
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