Good summing up Bri, but the applause should be muted imo. on no account should he be given the pleasure of being slaged off.
Aye he's fallable, which is the reason he's been managing the likes of us etc and hasn't won anything of note, ever. The Ndoye thing was **** and many pointed it out on here, though I don't remember him starting loads of games on the wing, certainly no more than 4/5. I just personally felt a better fit than the previous managers who many were fire fighters, Sam also was to a certain extent, but I felt more of a long term strategy was in place before the obvious happened.
Will also just add that I won't be singing his name or anything, as you say, polite round of applause for the 2/3 of a season he was here and kept us up is ample. Agreed on the rest..
He only played as a forward twice. He was always being put on a wing, either starting or off the bench to try and change games(failing every time) Like I said, our last string of managers have all looked devoid of ideas, it's because of the limitations of the squads they've had to work with. I feel it's very unfair to single out Moyes for this.
Yep, He'd get exactly as PDC, Gus & Dick would get from me. They all had very difficult jobs to do and kept us up. They should all receive appreciation for what they did. Sure there's some who are bitter about the way Sam left us and some who overstate him, bit of balance and just remember what they all managed to do against the odds is the right sort of balance for me if/when they come to the sol.
See I'm against slagging him off too, even though he's clearly a prick. He helped preserve our status ultimately. It deserves the recognition.
I can't for one moment be bitter at his exit, covered by 83 in the OP. I probably fall into the overstate category, but as I said, I just feel as if we were ready to progress under him moreso that the ones you've mentioned above.
We were deffinatly, but the failure can't be dropped at the next manager, it must be dropped on the doorstep of the board and the timing of events. Sam got very lucky with 4 out his 5 Jan signings coming off, his history with transfers is nowhere near that successful, he has one of the most patchy histories with transfers as anyone out there, he snagged the right players and we were in perfect position to press on, but even Sam was giving off signals about our Summer budget before England made the approach. Moyes didn't have time to assess his squad(two weeks till the window closed) and had to go with Sam's top targets, better than buying blind but still an imposible situation thanks to the timing, a manager needs his own players. The timing of him leaving and the failure to invest than and especially throughout this window has meant Moyes has been given an epic uphill task, as it would be to any new manager given these circumstances. I don't doubt it would be better had Sam stayed but I still think we'd be in a relegation dogfight because that's down to the quality of the playing squad. It's still **** and it still would be under Sam. But it's pointless trying to forecast events, as it's just unknown, it's just a meaningless never ending unanswerable path of discussion. We do know the timing and nature of events and lack of investment in the playing squad ****ed us right up. Really disappointed there hasn't been money to spend this window. For me this is the make or break point of the season where we could actually give Moyes the chance to correct the summer **** storm. But Short has bottled it. No matter how good the manager, nobody can do **** with the resources on offer and has been on offer recently. I try to remember that when talking about our previous and present managers. Feel sorry for them. SAFC managers job is **** job. Kudos to all of them for giving it a crack. Got to appreciate it init.
You have said this before, mate, but I'm finding it difficult to accept. As far as I was aware, Allardyces top targets were M'Vila and Sakho. Moyes didn't sign either of them. Moyes also had 5 or 6 weeks before the transfer window closed, not 2. I feel that for a football manager that is ample time to bring your own players in, he should already have a vast knowledge of players and an idea about who he would have liked at the club. Why would he bring in Djolibodji (Sams target) then sign Januzaj, Denayer, McNair, Love, Manquillo and Pienaar. Then finish off with N'Dong who was another of Allardyces targets? It doesn't seem right to me. I could well be wrong, just opinions, mate.
Sam did his job, got well rewarded and left. The question to ask however is how would he have coped with players who wanted away because DA left, we certainly had one in Lens, together with the huge injury list we have had? He came in October and struggled with what he inherited, his new January signings took until April to blend into the team and we became difficult to beat without being much of an attacking team. He was not a managerial genius but you could see how he was trying to change the team and they eventually came good to become almost impressive. As someone has already mentioned on here the Djilli and NDong moves were well under way when he left and Moyes went along with it so in a way they are Sam signings. He deserves a polite thank you but we have moved on and he means no more than any previous player - thanks for the memories.
M'Vila deal was agreed but he turned us down. Thought that was common knowledge. Kazan probibly offered him more poke, but who knows. I read from NE reporters that Pappy and Ndong were top targets from Sam's scouting list. There's reports in the press of interest in both players while Sam was in charge. Your bag if you don't believe it, personally I think there's enough there to piece it as true in my mind. Not sure what the crack was with Sakho but given no foward was signed for the sort of fee he would demand, it's just another pointless discussion with no way of knowing whether Sam would have been even been allowed to splash cash on a forward. Sorry, it was two weeks till the season starts. My mistake.
As for moving for ndong last, it could easily be a case of failing at other top targets prior to bidding for him.
New managers rarely just carrying on from their predecessor and they never do when they come and manage us. Not giving Sam credit for having a good plan for his squad building when he didn't stick around long enough to see it through. Chopping and changing this way is why we're as ****ed as we are. He's a part of that in my eyes.
I was just thinking that should PVA sign for Sam which seems inevitable, then we go down there and get the same result we got last season, and at the end of the season we stay up at Palaces expense that would be proper Karma. How good would that feel.
