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Saints Academy Thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by - Doing The Lambert Walk, Aug 18, 2014.

  1. ChilcoSaint

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    Great analysis, and even if the cost of the Academy is as high as £4 million per annum, that's still less than JWP's salary on his new contract.
     
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    I want to be clear too, I’m not saying that there’s loads of secret gems we’ve got, or that Horseman is the man (or horse?) I don’t know the truth of that.

    This is partly because education is a tricky, shifting and ephemeral business, like anything where your product is a literal human being! The comparative age, experience level and developmental stage of different players at different clubs and the way they pick their teams makes it hard to match up teams in a league fairly and we don’t know enough about the individual players to know who is likely to pan out and in what ways. I’m hoping I can start going to the games again now I’m back and I’ll be able to watch them regularly like I used to. If we’re playing another team and they have a mix of players who are older and more physically capable on average, or more experienced, then it’s much harder to narrow that ability gap at this level, than in the first team, where the blend is different.

    Mainly though it’s that there has clearly not been a vision for that part of the club for some years. Pretty much until Ralph got his feet under the table and Crocker returned as DoF. We’ve had struggling first teams where it’s hard to bring in kids, coaches who have reportedly ignored the youth sides and a lack of longer term planning that has made it hard for players to see and have a pathway. I’m hopeful that is changing now. Matt Crocker has such a history in that area that there’s no way he’s going to deliberately allow it to fail and he has the right knowledge, experience and training. Remember, change doesn’t happen overnight. In education outcomes often won’t be measurable for years after changes are made.
     
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  3. SAINTOSPREY

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    B Team 1 up at Brum. Ballard 3rd minute.
    2 up after 12 minutes Caleb Watts
    2 - 2 after 22 minutes.
     
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    B Team normal service restored, losing 3 -2 at half time. Caleb has picked up a yellow card.

    3 - 2 FT
     
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    To the previous discussion, if you're a Cat A team an Academy is almost always going to be a net financial benefit. It may not be such consistently, but the peaks are more than sufficient to cover the troughs.

    Take someone like JWP. His value isn't only what he could be sold for: his value is also in the bit where we did not have to pay for him in the first place. He has likely produced some excess value above and beyond what we're paying him, and additionally did not cost a fee. Even before having sold him, he has likely been worth tens of millions, and that only increases if/when he eventually departs.
     
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    Under 18's currently losing 0 - 3 to Foxes. Update 0 3 FT
     
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    U'21s 3 down ht v Charlton
     
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  10. Saints Fan4Life

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    I know results aren't everything at academy level, but **** me look at he state of this.

     
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  11. saintrichie123

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    Lost 4 - 1 FT
     
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  13. SaintLapras

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    Good. You have no business being in a competition designed to give league one and league 2 clubs a chance to play at Wembley anyway. How would you feel if Southampton were knocked out of the Johnstone's paint trophy in 2009 or whenever by a PL academy instead of winning it?
     
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    Cracking result <party>
     
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    Did anyone watch the game who can give a sensible review?
     
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    That Ballard chap is looking really useful...

    Difficult to tell from highlights but defending looked poor. If in doubt, boot it into row Z. Still - no shame to losing to an Adkins side!
     
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  18. SaintLapras

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    Sounds like your view is similar to mine maybe. The only time I ever want Portsmouth to lose is in the EFL cup so we get knocked out of this demeaning joke of a competition as soon as possible
     
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