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Mr. Nice said:
- We don't know but a few reports have said Inter are close to getting involved. If what you say is true shouldn't we be worried we're literally the only team in the world interested?
- Then why haven't we paid up
- Reports from Italians saying he has a reputation for being very hard to work with
- Financial structure isn't a "small snag"
- If it wasn't, we'd pay how they want us to and be done with it.
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- I'm sure others are interested, but are they interested enough to pay more than us? Signs point to no.
- when you're spending £15m-odd you don't just 'pay up', you work out a payment schedule. Like nobody buys a house outright.
- lots of people say the same about Cortese.
- according to reports, money is on the table, the only disagreement is in the schedule. Sounds minor to me.
- very naive, every transfer involves negotiation.
 
pass the football said:
- I'm sure others are interested, but are they interested enough to pay more than us? Signs point to no.
- when you're spending £15m-odd you don't just 'pay up', you work out a payment schedule.
- lots of people say the same about Cortese.
- according to reports, money is on the table, the only disagreement is in the schedule. Sounds minor to me.
- very naive, every transfer involves negotiation.
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- Perhaps not. But then, saying he wants to leave isn't a 100% guarantee. Who do Wayne Rooney and Carlos Tevez currently play for? That's right, the teams they publicly slagged off and demanded to leave.
- Yes, obviously. But we've not agreed on one.
- That doesn't help the argument the deal will go through.
- It's a major difference in schedules though. They want far, far more up front than we want to offer. It seems like we want to pay the majority after the new TV fees/survival is assured etc.
- Yes, it does, and often negotiation fails.

By no means do the reasons mean the deal will definitely fail, as by no means do sainthudson's reasons mean it will go through. I'm just saying, there are definitely very strong arguments for both sides.
 
basically no one knows not even these "ITK" people... i do think that we really dont want to miss out on this one! The fact that Gaston has come out and said that we would pay him alot of money would mean that id imagine he would do everything he can to force the deal unless he gets a similar offer
 
Mr. Nice said:
- Perhaps not. But then, saying he wants to leave isn't a 100% guarantee. Who do Wayne Rooney and Carlos Tevez currently play for? That's right, the teams they publicly slagged off and demanded to leave.
- Yes, obviously. But we've not agreed on one.
- That doesn't help the argument the deal will go through.
- It's a major difference in schedules though. They want far, far more up front than we want to offer. It seems like we want to pay the majority after the new TV fees/survival is assured etc.
- Yes, it does, and often negotiation fails.

By no means do the reasons mean the deal will definitely fail, as by no means do sainthudson's reasons mean it will go through. I'm just saying, there are definitely very strong arguments for both sides.
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- I don't recall either player 'slagging off' their club. But City and United are rich and among world's top clubs, Bologna aren't.
- not yet.
- no, but it doesn't matter how difficult he is to deal with. He needs to sell Ramirez and we are his best (if not only) option.
- some kind of compromise will be reached. We will pay more than we want to but less than they want, and both parties will grudgingly accept.
- and it often succeeds, what's your point?

I don't care about sainthudson's reasons (nor do I agree with many of them), I just know that the evidence points to this going through. Nothing is ever certain but right now, thinking dispassionately and rationally, it's hard to see how this will fail.

Remember that newspapers, here and abroad, don't tend to report what is rational, they report what sells papers. Making this into a drama suits them.
 
Daniele Labanti of Corriere di Bologna:

"bolognafc put a sort of 'ultimatum'..today deadline.an insider told it is quite over, very difficult to change the situation"

"quite over, not all over. deadline is set up today from bolognafc chairman"

"i don't know why southampton is not agree to pay €10mln now and guarateed €5mln next year"

"bologna set the price at €20mln, 15 is a good agreement. they told the fans 'no less than 15mln'"
 
pass the football said:
- I don't recall either player 'slagging off' their club. But City and United are rich and among world's top clubs, Bologna aren't.
- not yet.
- no, but it doesn't matter how difficult he is to deal with. He needs to sell Ramirez and we are his best (if not only) option.
- some kind of compromise will be reached. We will pay more than we want to but less than they want, and both parties will grudgingly accept.
- and it often succeeds, what's your point?

I don't care about sainthudson's reasons (nor do I agree with many of them), I just know that the evidence points to this going through. Nothing is ever certain but right now, thinking dispassionately and rationally, it's hard to see how this will fail.

Remember that newspapers, here and abroad, don't tend to report what is rational, they report what sells papers. Making this into a drama suits them.
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Those 5 points are going nowhere so we should cut it out - It just seems that you're trying to make it seem like it's impossible this deal won't go through?
 
Mr. Nice said:
Those 5 points are going nowhere so we should cut it out - It just seems that you're trying to make it seem like it's impossible this deal won't go through?
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"Nothing is ever certain" I said, but I believe this is pretty close.

Cortese has a reputation for being stubborn and acting capriciously, but he's also proven that he is a shrewd businessman. No-one with half a brain would go to the considerable trouble of convincing a player like Ramirez that his future lies at Southampton, offering him better terms than anyone else, travelling back and forward to Italy and inviting Bologna officials over just to fall out over the timing of payments.

Equally, the Bologna chairman has a similar reputation but he's not an idiot either and must realise this is his best option. Their people are not going to travel to England for a maybe. They are also desperate to sell him so they can get a replacement before the transfer window shuts. However it is clearly in their interest to talk about other teams being interested. It's a negotiating ploy. Newspapers will happily grasp this and run with it because it makes for a good story, but the only team that has made a concrete offer and agreed terms with the player is Southampton. 95% of the work has already been done, both clubs and the player want this to happen.

On the other hand, as much as the papers talk about Liverpool, there has been no contact reported between them and Bologna or Ramirez. Spurs have flatly denied interest and are reported as having other targets. Inter either can't afford him or don't think he's worth the money it would take to get him. This makes sense, he wouldn't be a key player for them in the same way he would be for us, so all things being equal we would naturally be willing to offer more money.

So picking the bones from that, I just don't see how it can go wrong.
 
pass the football said:
"Nothing is ever certain" I said, but I believe this is pretty close.

Cortese has a reputation for being stubborn and acting capriciously, but he's also proven that he is a shrewd businessman. No-one with half a brain would go to the considerable trouble of convincing a player like Ramirez that his future lies at Southampton, offering him better terms than anyone else, travelling back and forward to Italy and inviting Bologna officials over just to fall out over the timing of payments.

Equally, the Bologna chairman has a similar reputation but he's not an idiot either and must realise this is his best option. Their people are not going to travel to England for a maybe. They are also desperate to sell him so they can get a replacement before the transfer window shuts. However it is clearly in their interest to talk about other teams being interested. It's a negotiating ploy. Newspapers will happily grasp this and run with it because it makes for a good story, but the only team that has made a concrete offer and agreed terms with the player is Southampton. 95% of the work has already been done, both clubs and the player want this to happen.

On the other hand, as much as the papers talk about Liverpool, there has been no contact reported between them and Bologna or Ramirez. Spurs have flatly denied interest and are reported as having other targets. Inter either can't afford him or don't think he's worth the money it would take to get him. This makes sense, he wouldn't be a key player for them in the same way he would be for us, so all things being equal we would naturally be willing to offer more money.

So picking the bones from that, I just don't see how it can go wrong.
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Strong points on the surface but it relies on the premise that things are being exaggerated by every media source in the world. Obviously the media sensationalises everything, nobody will deny that but to fully believe everything in your post you have to assume that they've fabricated every "falling apart" story. Possible? Yes. Certainty? Of course not.

Bologna want to sell him but there's no point selling him for terms that don't suit them. It's not a shocker to see a team not be desperate to throw away their star player. I find it very hard to believe a team like Inter isn't prepared to make some sort of approach.

I don't know, I want to have faith but too much can go wrong. If we keep trying to grind out the best deal for us, then what's to stop them going "**** this, not wasting any more time, let's go try to pimp him out to teams like Inter"?
 
Been visiting my parents who are an internet free zone for a couple of days. Was hoping this would have been sorted by now. Still seems like there is still hope so fingers crossed!
 
From Corriere di Bologna's reporter Daniele Labanti:

"#bolognafc chairman guaraldi: 'its all over with #southampton for gaston #ramirez? these stories are never all over'"
 
Another quote:

guaraldi tiene aperta la porta per ramirez al southampton: 'certe storie non finiscono mai' #bolognafc #calciomercato


Translated:

Guaraldi (Bologna Chairman) leaves door open for Southamton, 'certain stories never end'
 
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