Sorry pal but I have to disagree I had a season ticket on the Bob bank standing area before moving to the family stand in the new ground. You may not be knocking me in your other comment but you are in this one I am just as passionate as you. I sing shout and so do my 11 and 8 year old. To say that you are a vocal fan just cos you sit in a certain part of the ground is a bit narrow minded. Yes you may have more like minded people in the Canton or Ninian stand but as an individual you are no loader than me. If standing came back and was as cheap I would move my family back to that part of the ground like a flash as I too enjoy the atmosphere in those types of environment but until that day I will continue to get the group of people around me to join in the vocal type of support that I like rather than turn down the challenge to get others involved. Come sit with the 8 of us who all used to stand weâll sing with you maybe together we can get even more involved??
well ccfcrtop i gotta be honest i didnt hear u in the borough game maybe u need the dummies around u 2join in a little,see thats my point they just feel intimidated by what could be one of them hoolie filth signing men types....,you are in the wrong part of the ground>>>> u b better placed with people like me in the how football used 2 b sections
You may not of heard me and I take your point about it not being like the old grange end or bob bank standing. Then having said that I have sat in the new Ninian stand and that isn’t like what it used to be either. Football is changing and we all have to accept it but not just because of seating or stadiums also because we are generating a new batch of supporters who are finding their feet and old fans that are still trying to settle in a new ground. Fact remains my back round is the same as yours in terms of the fact I like the banter and grew up on the terraces of Ninian park just because I choose to take my kids and cant afford season tickets in higher priced areas doesn’t mean I don’t join in every song I hear whether it starts in the canton Ninian grandstand or Grange. Also when we first moved into the family stand the people around us never sang at least now with some encouragement they are starting to join in more and more. Maybe in a few season when some of the new kids/fans and those that can be encourage join in a little more you will hear us a bit more.
Fascinating discussion and some interesting and valid points from all contributors. As far as noise is concerned, I think that as in all walks of life, we have to celebrate how people differ, and in so doing, we have to understand that people will want differing experiences on match days. Many people can feel inhibited about singing and shouting in public, and others just want to watch the game and enjoy it for it's own sake. I don't think anyone is a lesser supporter just because they don't shout or sing. As sparkey correctly points out, everyone is important to the club. With regard to standing areas, well yes, to my mind it is a no brainer if it can be done safely. However, the one thing I would like to see considered is the needs of people with mobility issues, and I would hope that plans would give opportunities to these people in ALL areas of the ground. People with such issues should be able to make the choice of joining in with the chanters or any other areas without feeling apart or restricted to areas where the can't get an elevated view of the ground if they want it. Seating at stadia was in principle a great leveller for people with mobility problems, but in reality it caused more problems as people stood at exciting moments. So yes to standing areas but make sure changes are incusive.
Hello clingo - nice to see. Interesting subject as you say, and here's just another offering on it Referring to Cardiff supporters who don't have the same requirements at a football game as "dummies" isn't particularly polite. Neither is tarring everyone who doesn't want to stand in "how football used to be sections" as something of an imposition on the club and is a lesser supporter than those who do. It was the "how football used to be sections" that spawned many of the problems that beset the game for 30 years. Not suggesting that a return to standing only areas would kick that lot off again, but it was that problem as well as much as the safety aspects post Hillsborough that's driven football down the all seater route. No point lecturing fellow fans on here one way or the other. We should all be allowed to attend games and support the way we want - and that INCLUDES those who want to stand, sing and shout all through a game. Very few if any on here are denying there's a real need to bring that aspect back to the game.
As with just about everything in life the younger generation always think they are the first to do something. One day when he grows up Aber will hopefully look across at the young'uns and remember when that was him shouting, singing & bouncing around from kick off to final whistle while he sits there with his kids for 90 minutes watching his language. In no way does that make anyone less of a supporter & to even suggest that it does is disrespectful and wrong. I spent most of my youth squashed in the grange end but I certainly wouldn't want to be in that situation now at my age yet to half of the people on here the grange end was never anything more than a wide open concrete slab where the away supporters were put come rain or shine.
To me the best days were on the Bob Bank 30 - 40 years ago, with a half dozen good friends but time goes on and age takes no prisoners those 6 or so friends have gone their own way, moved out of the area, no longer go to the football or died I wish I could get the days back but it's only in pipe dreams. I would love to see safe standing in CCS but at my age and health I myself will stick to the seated area.
What is forgotten in this thread is the fan base has increased substantially in the last 10 years and a lot of the fans in the stadium are still finding their feet. Perhaps it is out of respect for the old guard they are not as vocal at the moment. Seating has sanitised the match day experience but it has not diluted the passion albeit seemingly a more reserved following until they feel able to express themselves more vocally.
Like DJR I would stick to my seat (not literally as I am not incontinent - yet) should there be an option for more flexible seating arrangements. However, I defend the right of those who want to stand (in the right areas and with consideration to those who want to sit and probably only stand at moments of high excitement (no double meaning meant there)). If the type of seating introduced on the continent was brought in here that would be the answer in designated parts of the ground - not everywhere. While such seats are not as comfortable as those we have at present, the club could probably get more seats/standing places in and increase the capacity and income. Bear in mind it is still one person per numbered seat so you would not have the crush or rolling crowd as we experienced on the Grange all those years ago. In reality these seats would be used in what is the standing area of the Canton End and maybe in the block or two next to the away fans - with the usual no man's land in between. Those not wanting the option of standing could simply relocate their seats elsewhere. A bit of give and take would be needed to achieve this. While I think 14 clubs have said they would like to see this introduced it is still a long way from being put in place and the Premier League CEO - Richard Scudamore his name is - has always declared he is against it - despite him being a Wurzels fan and they are one of the clubs supporting the measure.
welshman u dont know me at all do u>>>>>i dont scream and shout all game >>>>>>>>>>>>for me thats never happened with any cardiff fan we sing when its needed ie....when they need a lift and when we are on the front foot and looking like getting the chances 2score. the fact of the matter is people like me need 2 be in proper football ends>>>>>family and old men can go in the seating sections simples>>>>>>>>the disabled can come in the terrace with the lads>>>>>all happy.........jobs a good un ps shocking car welsman>>>>>boy racer at your age surely not
Undoubtedly, seats are safer and were brought in, in a somewhat draconian, sledgehammer to crack a nut fashion. But they do suit a lot of people and they do chnage the experience. in terms of viewign, proabbly for the better. in terms of atmosphere....very much for the worse. But it seems these seating arrangements with the bars etc. will provide those who want it with the experience they would like. Name-calling of otehr suporter types does not help and could drive them away or inhibit their contribution to the atmosphere. I suspect it takes some time for everyone to settle in and as ccfc noted, their small section is starting to grow and long may it continue. Recently, I was in Donetsk at a local match and sat beside some little lad who shouted and sang all the way through completely on his own. Good for him and he enjoyed. Hopefully, he will infect those around him as time goes by too. By the way, the stadium had a good atmosphere despite being only half full with the home support all located (sitting/standing) at one end. On a similar note, does anyone think that, because CCS has expansion plans the current set-up may not be optimal for creating an atmosphere and that things might be better with the full capacity available and the completed architectural concept?
Frankfurter - I doubt that just adding more seats increasing the capacity will significantly improve the atmosphere. By definition, more people should make more noise, but it doesn't necessarily follow. However, IF (and it's a big IF) a formula can be found that gains the Premier League/Football League approval for a move away from the imposition of all seater gounds on clubs who wish to create standing areas, the planned expansion would be a brilliant time to implement it. The construction of the proposed 8000 all seater upper tier to the Canton, Ninian and Family stands could allow the existing Canton and maybe even parts of the Ninian seated areas to be converted to standing areas for those that yearn for it. Now that would definitely improve the atmosphere, and as a bonus, would probably also increase the overall capacity - we'll need it in the Prem. Win win situation for all.
Don't get me wrong rubber, I'm the first person joining in with the clapping and cheering in certain songs! However I sing like an Englishman Get a few beers down me and I'd be joining you, trust me! That being said I haven't drunk for a good couple years- The only point I took any offence to was the getting on the back of the team! I'd never dream of doing such a thing and will do anything I can to spur on the Bluebirds. On a side note; will never forget my old man when Crewe (?) scored a truly fantastic goal that cost us two points. Everyone around us was swearing and cursing (much like my reaction would be nowadays), but my Dad (an unbelievable footballer and total Bluebird) stood up and clapped it for a good while. That's a true football supporter for you- the looks he was getting you'd have thought he was in the KKK or something!
