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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by UpminstR, Oct 20, 2015.

  1. QPRSAM82

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    When we lose to Brentford he will be sacked! The problem is we will have had to go through that for it to happen.
     
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  2. TWGWTDT

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    Well I have to agree its looking bad for Ramsey .. He is sinking fast looking at all the evidence if he has lost the players as reported
    I do however think after Redknapp who i hated with a passion we do need stability first and foremost regardless on how well we do on the pitch
    I hope the club stands firm in a way because all the moans aside we will make ourselves look super stupid
    This is exactly the opportunity the club needs to talk to the fans and from an initial promise that we would be a open club they really aren't even doing that
    TF has become a comedy character in the game and his reputation is lower than CR IMO
    TF needs to do one thing and come out and say This is what is it … as a club we completely failed to meet the basic measurement but we are going to stick together and our aim is stay in the championship and build from the roots up. If he just picks a new man, any man then where does that put our club again?

    TF quoted as saying that Promotion means everything is disrespectful to every QPR fan IMO it raises false hope and raise expectations … both create massive media problems to deal with with in turn then backfires on the club and TF himself. It reveals to me a loser approach and has done massive harm like throwing petrol onto a fire.
     
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  3. TWGWTDT

    TWGWTDT Well-Known Member

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    Warnock Hughes Redknapp Ramsey Warnock

    Each of them have divided us on here

    Warnock did something very special with us before buggering it up with some strange signings

    How is TF's dream manager? … What is a dream?

    Our club has become a joke as I said it would. The media department act like sheep, there is no brand nor direction anywhere i can see

    I knew we would sink but nothing prepares you for this journey

    Draw a line FFS this situation QPR this is of your own making. Gambling with peoples hearts and you can't even get the shirts right
     
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  4. Busy Being Headhunted

    Busy Being Headhunted Well-Known Member

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    Warnock was let down by the chairman when he needed to make signings. The others all failed in my opinion. We would not of gone up under Arry without help from McClaren because we would not of made the playoffs
     
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  5. Swords Hoopster.

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    Last season I kept putting up Ramsey's record vs Redknapp's and it was considerably worse. Normally new managers get a "bounce" but not with this guy. Its been even worse this season. Redknapp was in the mix but Fernandes decided not to back him in the window and this Terry Connor escapade has been the result. Fernandes hasn't got a clue what he's doing. This idiot Ramsey is way out of his depth and Ferdinand has done nothing but preside over our sinking ever since he landed here too.

    Farce
     
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  6. Hoops Eternal

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    I have to say that after such a horrible season under Harry I thought that the appointment of Ramsey was a positive step. I don't blame him at all for the relegation as the damage was already done prior to him taking over the reins.
    We now find ourselves twelve game into the season with many of his signings in place and there seems to be no improvement, in fact we appear to be going backwards. His tactics and choice of substitutions at times beggar belief, we ship goals for fun and now it seems that the players are turning on him too. All in all I would now say that his position has become untenable and should be shown the exit door, which is a real shame as I had high hopes for him.
    Personally I'm really not fussed if we get promoted or not, but the current squad should be achieving so much more than they are currently are.
     
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  7. ELLERS

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  8. aqualung

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    as that article states, only five points off the place off places. Still plenty of time to make that up hopefully and hardly a time to panic. As the article goes on to say.....the fans need to be patient.
    If we were currently in a play off place there would be some who would say not good enough, should be top two.
    ....imo of course.
     
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  9. TWGWTDT

    TWGWTDT Well-Known Member

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    I can assure everyone on this board that the play off will not be decided until the end of the season
    By that I mean I fully expect 12 teams going for them right to the end
    Brighton will lose by 3 goals before the season is over most of here laughed when I said they could finish above us ... They may not even make the play offs
    It's a mad league
     
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    Go on Chris stuff it up Swords
     
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  11. Frome-Ranger

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    You should read David Mac's blog in Warnock, paints a slightly different picture.
     
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  12. MKRanger71

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    I can't be arsed to look it up can you enlighten the lazy please with a summary
     
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  13. devonqprboy

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    Its only a matter of time before Colin is installed as manager. Ramsey may be all smiles for the media, we value his experience etc, but in private he must feel deeply undermined and it may be a question of does he jump before he is pushed.
     
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    He won't quit, he'll be given an offer he can't refuse...
     
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  15. aqualung

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    ...and an exciting one. Still all to play for. Nothing to get uptight about. Football is fun........ imo of course.
     
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  16. Sutfol

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    I get the feeling we will continue to stick with Ramsey and have Colin as his mentor - that said, it's a results business and his results have been pis spoor. We are 10th but are dropping away from the pack at the top.
     
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  17. Bush Rhino

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    I thought Tony wouldn't spend and that's why Harry left on the the first of Feb. To even the score.

    Tony has done the same to Colin & Harry - Stitched up in January.

    Anyone care to guess when Rambo's going.......
     
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  18. Didley Squat

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    Whether we want to accept it or not, this assessment hits very close to the bone. Yes, we all wanted stability, we all wanted Ramsey to succeed but do we continue to stick our heads in the sand in hope that by some miracle, he comes good.

    Facts that are currently being played out tend to shape us being worse than our current standing on the table.
    Wins against lower teams.
    Worse 'against' record for goals conceded.
    Wins early in the season but very little of late.
    Players starting to speak out.
    TF, who has been in hibernation, now coming out making brainless comments.
    Manager now starting to throw blame everywhere else but himself.
    Yes, we've seen it all before, too many times to be honest.
    Agh, the joys of following our beloved club.
     
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  19. TWGWTDT

    TWGWTDT Well-Known Member

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    Fans can't accept stability and boring is the truth of the matter
    really easy to pick holes in what we all think should be QPR
    We should be in the premier league but then what? 17th each year?
    Think of any football club currently they all want to win but honestly in the Premier league only three/four teams can win it
    Everyone rubbished the cups

    It's about the money nothing else from the TV revenue to the players all wanting to play for a top club that gets into europe

    If people can't see that this is a English fickle disease then wake up

    The game is not a game its a business, in fact a play thing for the super rich

    I would love QPR to return to its roots as a club based in West London at LR playing in hoops (home and away)
    Playing the QPR way eventually with four trickily wide men, a box to box rock in midfield assisted by a water carrier and a QPR number 10 who is also a genius
    A defensive three who take no prisioners but can all play on the deck as well as command the air … when we concede a corner I want the opposition to **** themselves because we break like lighting … long ball or short ball
    Our keeper needs to be a shot stopper, 7ft tall pea pole

    I want a sinclair impey macdonald webb mcclintock mancini peacock francis Bowles marsh thomas taarabt wegerie seaman parkes gillard barsley hollins leach furlong remy the little lad from spain even (Steve Jones who i used to play along side at school allbeit he was in the 5th form when i was in the 1st year! … yes i was that good even then!) clement masson givens oh and i would buy Solly March and pay him £80k a week because my old 5 a side team mate is that ****ing good but still can't finish as well as his dad!. I am playing tonight under floodlights and I am going to win … because i can

    Bollock arseholes and ****ing pricks get our club back on track you tosspot TF
     
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  20. Kilburn

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    Could the following sentiment possibly apply to Chris Ramsey? Of course we duly obliged him with that drubbing at Craven Cottage (Why always us?).

    Time to Say Goodbye?

    On September 4th I posted a case comparing Kit to Swansea's Garry Monk and suggesting that giving him some time to bring the squad together wouldn't be the worst idea. Just under 50 days later, we've played seven games in the Championship. There have been two wins, emphatic ones as well - a dominant first half against Blackburn, and the QPR mauling where we were dynamite.

    We've lost to Sheffield Wednesday and Wolves, conceding three in both games, and we've had three draws - a good away point at Middlesbrough, a gutting two points dropped at Charlton and last night's woeful performance against Leeds. That's not the worst record in the world, but I genuinely feel that the way Fulham have been playing, especially at home, mean that it might be time to admit we're not moving forwards.

    Interestingly, to touch on the Monk analogy one last time, since the same article was published, Swansea have not won a game, losing three, drawing two and being knocked out of the cup by Hull, and as such, Monk is now second favourite in the 'next Premiership manager to be sacked' odds, trailing only struggling Villa's Tim Sherwood.

    The long and short of it is that Fulham have a side which should be challenging at the right end of the Championship. O'Hara, Ream and Stearman are all signings which have paid off so far and look like continuing to do so. Jazz Richards is an international standard right-back. Luke Garbutt and James Husband are both left-backs swimming in talent and tipped for greatness. In Bettinelli, Lonergan and now Lewis (on last night's performance at least), we have three goalkeepers who are safe pairs of hands in net.

    Tunnicliffe is a warrior who never stops running and allows the technical ability of others to flourish. Tom Cairney is one of the most exciting players in the Championship, LVC is a fan favourite who is capable of producing magic, and Ben Pringle was one of the most consistent performers in this league last year. Up front we have arguably the Championship's most exciting prospect, Moussa Dembele, and Ross McCormack, who over the course of the last five years has been the best player in this league hands down.

    That's not even considering the fact that Cauley Woodrow is a stalwart in the England youth set up, George Williams is tipped to be Wales' next star man and Alex Kačaniklić is a 24-year-old with 19 caps and 3 goals for Sweden. I haven't even mentioned Matt Smith or Scott Parker. No-one can suggest that this squad hasn't got talent or depth - the things it is hopelessly lacking are passion, inspiration and drive.

    Ultimately, the buck for these has to stop at the manager's door. Why can Fulham not produce performances as scintillating as the one against QPR on a week by week basis. Ross McCormack, the ultimate consistent performer, looks like the captain's armband has withered his ability to produce the magic which lit up the darkness of the last campaign. His mesmerising feint to score against Charlton proves the talent is still there, but yesterday's lacklustre showing against his old club shows a man struggling for form when he should be at the peak of his powers.

    Kit doesn't seem to have the tactical flair or personal nous to inspire the players to their best, and I can't for the life of me understand why - this is his club and his passion should be infectious. Instead, a lack of clarity and drive is holding this Fulham team back when, with the players we have brought in, we should be flying. We need to get playing possession football, with a strategy that suits our creative players, in order to get things moving again - games like QPR and Blackburn came about because we went about things in our own way, playing good football on the floor and utilising our best players at the things they are good at - getting the ball out wide for Pringle to deliver and getting Ross in behind the back four, for example.

    One thing I would argue that this means, is that there is no place at the club for a Sam Allardyce-esque figure (I know he's at Sunderland now but his name was being touted for a while). We need a tactical figurehead who likes to play good football and can utilise the strengths of the club to our own advantage. It's optimistic to suggest it, but we need a manager in the mould of Brendan Rodgers, whose footballing philosophy revolved around a strong passing game and an acute awareness of how to use creative players. Optimistic it may be, but Rodgers came from Swansea, whom he brought up from the Championship by playing good, attacking football. For a man looking to repair his reputation, there are worse places he could go than the Cottage, a universally liked club looking to restore its own glory days.

    It would be a statement of intent from the chairman, as well, that Fulham are an upwardly mobile club looking to recruit the best. In today's Metro, Jacksonville Jaguars coach Gus Bradley stated that "our owner Shad Khan is unbelievable to work for as he has a great vision for the future. His backing and understanding is immense and really helps us in our development." His backing for this Fulham squad has been similar, putting his money where his mouth is and securing the funds needed to supply this team with the influx of talent that it has had this season. He needs to understand that the fans are losing not their love for the Welshman at the helm, but their confidence that he is the the right man for the job.

    Kit has shown that, despite all his good intentions, he lacks what this Fulham team needs in order to succeed. I have no doubt that Symons will come into his own as a manager at some level, but I feel like Fulham do not have the time to offer him that room to grow - we need a positive upward trajectory to push the side back into play-off contention, else our best young players like Dembele and LVC are going to leave for higher pastures. As a Fulham man who understands the club and can see the struggle for passion and flair that we can see from the terraces, he must understand that it is time for him to pass the helm to a more tactically aware mind. Fulham would wish him all the best, but the experiment is falling flat and it seems like the time is right to say goodbye.
    @jackjcollins

    - See more at: http://www.vivaelfulham.co.uk/articles/time-to-say-goodbye-7-664.html#sthash.UUhnUBK1.dpuf
     
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