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DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A DEDICATED DEFENCE COACH

  • YES

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • YES S O D

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • YES OTHER

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • NO

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • GIVE COTTS TILL GAME 16

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • GIVE COTTS TILL Jan 1st

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • KEEP COTTS TILL EASTER OR BEYOND

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • Total voters
    8
  • Poll closed .
Don't hate the guy - it didn't work out here so we moved on.
RR may be correct about his signings, but at the end of the day under his tenure we didn't gel and he had to go.
I wouldn't want him back.
 
BCFCRob said:
How do you know that he's not? There is plenty of evidence to suggest that he is a very, very good coach and not much at all to suggest that he's not.
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There is very much evidence that he is not! As red robin suggested he had some excellent players at his disposal and failed to get them to respond to his coaching. whether this was a communication problem or not that is part of the job! We were relegated miserably and the football under his tenure was dire, also his interaction with the media was woeful and embarrassing.

Don't know what you were watching??
 
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banksyisourhero said:
There is very much evidence that he is not! As red robin suggested he had some excellent players at his disposal and failed to get them to respond to his coaching. whether this was a communication problem or not that is part of the job! We were relegated miserably and the football under his tenure was dire, also his interaction with the media was woeful and embarrassing.

Don't know what you were watching??
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No, his results suggest that he wasn't a very good manager while at City. As for his coaching credentials, there's nothing to suggest he's anything other than very good given the esteem professionals seem to hold him in.
 
BCFCRob said:
No, his results suggest that he wasn't a very good manager while at City. As for his coaching credentials, there's nothing to suggest he's anything other than very good given the esteem professionals seem to hold him in.
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Where's the evidence to prove he is a good coach?

He might of done something at Doncaster but they sacked him in the end.

The bloke was a cock, I was seriously thinking about chucking it all in when he was our manager, the worse football period of my time and I'm old enough to remember the four consecutive relegations.
 
BCFCRob said:
No, his results suggest that he wasn't a very good manager while at City. As for his coaching credentials, there's nothing to suggest he's anything other than very good given the esteem professionals seem to hold him in.
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I respect your opinion Rob, but he was 'head coach' whilst at Bristol City, he named himself as such and made a big fuss about it when doing so! He was pretty much appointed on fans request... and that is why fans should stay just that, fans!
 
RedorDead said:
Where's the evidence to prove he is a good coach?

He might of done something at Doncaster but they sacked him in the end.

The bloke was a cock, I was seriously thinking about chucking it all in when he was our manager, the worse football period of my time and I'm old enough to remember the four consecutive relegations.
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Were you watching city then <cool>
 
Red Robin said:
Brendan Rodgers is no mug and will be at villa shortly and sod will go with him.
Sorry guys these both have a lot to offer the game.
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Brendon Rogers who fell into a job where Martinez turned an ordinary team into entertainers, Paulo Sousa then tightened up the defensive frailties. And then Rogers took the credit!
He got that job at Liverpool spent all that money and still could not pick a team of players playing in their correct position. His good season was because of Suarez and Sturridge and when Suarez left he got shown that he did not know what to do,.

And you still think SoD is good?
 
Comparisons of result stats between SOD & Cotts during their Bristol City Career's..

Name.....Games.........W..........D........L......Win%..
SOD........44..............11.........13......13......25..
Cotts.......99..............50.........29......20......50.51..

Tells me that Cotts is twice as successful with us as SOD was...
 
If he started in August SoD would of managed 46 points so that's relegation on its own.

The bloke was ****ing awfull, and I can't understand why RR keeps trying to defend him. Before he came here RR only saw one game and based the whole myth of being an excellent coach on the time Donny beat us.
 
wizered said:
Comparisons of result stats between SOD & Cotts during their Bristol City Career's..

Name.....Games.........W..........D........L......Win%..
SOD........44..............11.........13......13......25..
Cotts.......99..............50.........29......20......50.51..

Tells me that Cotts is twice as successful with us as SOD was...
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Certainly no argument here,those stats say it all.
Still think he is a very very good coach.
England and Liverpool after us say it all guys.
 
Liverpool sacked him.!!! after a few months. they obviously didn't share your opinion and why did he leave an England job to do that?

So it says nothing.. give it up Red Robin its embarrassing.
 
Alandicksthegreat said:
Well i suggest the evidence for Bristol City is, he's not, and i suggest for Liverpool he wasn't, other wise Brendan Rodgers would probably still be manager.
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Oh come on. You think SoD (or indeed anyone) has the power to turn the entire club around while in the assistant manager position? Paul Clement is widely regarded as being one of the best coaches in the world and he wouldn't have been able to save Brendan's job. You might well be right about SoD but that reasoning is ludicrous.

RedorDead said:
Where's the evidence to prove he is a good coach?

He might of done something at Doncaster but they sacked him in the end.

The bloke was a cock, I was seriously thinking about chucking it all in when he was our manager, the worse football period of my time and I'm old enough to remember the four consecutive relegations.
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I'm sure I've read numerous articles where his peers are praising how strong a coach he is. Your point about Doncaster is invalid as that was when he was manager, and I'm not disagreeing that he was crap for us. Completely agree that he was an absolute cock (particularly in the media), but also very articulate and capable of being very humble and nice judging by the hour long interview he did once with fans.

EDIT: I'm fully aware I can't exactly judge a man on that one interview, but from what I can see the only time I ever noticed him being a cock was with the media (which admittedly he was piss poor with).

banksyisourhero said:
I respect your opinion Rob, but he was 'head coach' whilst at Bristol City, he named himself as such and made a big fuss about it when doing so! He was pretty much appointed on fans request... and that is why fans should stay just that, fans!
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Can't disagree with that, but I think the 'head coach' thing was to help buy into the boards pillars strategy i.e. the club was seen as merely a modular build where any one is easily replaceable without harming the other sections (scouting, youth, etc). Fact is, he picked the team, he picked the tactics, he signed the players, he was for all intents and purposes the manager.
 
There are no prisoners taken in football.

SOD was truly awful for us. Yes, some good signings - but horrible results, playing horrible football, followed by horrible interviews.

It didn't work out - but it MIGHT have done if the moon had been in a different place in the sky and the wind blowing in another direction - there are never any guarantees when selecting managers - and it might turn out right for him elsewhere. Because you fail at one club it doesn't mean you will always fail.
Look at Tony Pulis for example - a HORRIBLE manager for us - absolutely hated by the City fans - and yet took Stoke into the premiership and developed them into an established top-flight side. Perhaps if we had stuck with him we could be where Stoke is..(?) who knows.

Another City example is McInnes - tipped for great things and made us a bookies favourite for promotion at the start of his tenure - yet we all know what happened next (SOD and relegation!!!)
There are loads of other examples; David Moyes, an Everton legend, hand-picked by SAF to succeed him, and yet he couldnt manage Man Utd despite their infinite resources and the pick of the world's best players.
Graham Taylor - fantastic for Watford, not once, but TWICE getting them into the top flight, but God-awful for England, gaining the rather insulting nickname 'The Turnip' and becoming a subject of ridicule and dispair.
Joe Kinnear - unbelievably successful with Wimbledon - an amazing feat given the size of that club, keeping them in the Prem season after season and winning the FA cup, yet has failed to shine with any of his other footballing ventures.

Would I have SOD back? NO WAY, but I don't hate him and wouldn't bet against him being successful at another club.
 
Completely agree with the above. Just want to make it clear I'm not trying to defend SoD or how he was at City. But he's clearly a competent coach imo, which was the original point.
 
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