Hmmm, getting warmer.... The Twitter thing worries me. Jay's not a big user of Twitter, only 30 posts, so being faffed to follow someone is possibly more significant coming from him. EDIT: Just noticed you said his dad, not Jay himself. Strike that from the record. Vin
That is truly hideous. I am amazed anyone even thought of making such a monstrosity and that Jack agreed to sit on it (I notice the dog had higher standards ).
Yet you are still carrying on having a little dig at me? Your post (to me anyways) did come over as you being angry and confrontational, so I have a right to say I thought it was. Why would I care that a random doesn't believe my opinions? Let alone get annoyed over it? As for keeping it short, yes being dyslexic I prefer short posts/ responses what is the problem in that?
Blimey guys. Beefy passes in some info he was told and he gets **** for it. I hope he still feels like passing stuff on when he gets it but I wouldn't blame him if he didn't. On Jayrod, I have zero evidence but my opinion is that he wants out. Some of you state he has said nothing; I'd have liked him to say something; "I'm a Saints player trying to recover from a serious injury and so transfer talk is ridiculous"... That would have been nice for a start. He's been offered a new contract and not signed it. Why not? Anyone saying he is keeping his options open? Why? I have also heard that he was one of the first knocking on the door and asking questions. Hope I'm wrong. It's my opinion and I don't need evidence for that.
Problem is, fat, that he didn't pass on one iota of "info". He gave an opinion and when I asked him for evidence of where the opinion came from, did what he always does, which is to get shorty at being asked. I agree; I wish JayRod would say something positive. TSS posted something the other day from his website after the Sunderland game but it was just one post. Thn there's the elephant in the room, of course. Is he going to be as good when he returns? He was a player who seemed to rely on speed more than most. Wherever he ends up, I just hope he recovers. Vin
Where did I get shorty? Yes I didn't give much info. But I was backing up that I have been right in the past and don't randomly make up crap.
See, that's where I don't get it. If nothing changes then why should a player suddenly want out..? As you say you have no evidence. So what are you going on..? Gut feeling..? Usually, even gut feeling has something to go on, even if it entirely in the head of the person with the gut. I just prefer to stay with logic. I haven't heard anything that can be said to be reliable [sorry Beefy, nothing personal]. The club has said officially that all rumours to the effect that JayRod has asked to leave, or is pushing to leave, are garbage. It is a fact they have said that. Now it could be that they are lying, but then that would be my opinion and not something I could expect anyone in their right mind to rely on. Therefore, going on the available evidence, I don't think JayRod is pushing to leave. Shrewsbury have equalised against Chelsea..! Wow..!
See how you have said it all I can say is fair play it is up to you what you believe. It's when I get shouted down that I don't like, people may doubt what I and others say and they have a right to but they can still go about it the right way.
Isn't ITKery predicated on giving information which can't be substantiated or backed up with sources? It's understandable that it's not believable to some people unless there's a paper trail. ITKery is probably not for them. Not worth arguing about though. Unless it's that saintrichmond (i think) guy who said everything was ****ed last summer. He deserved it
Well you didn't read all my post them as my reasons are there: 1. I was told he had spoken upstairs 2. He has not said one word at a time when he perhaps could or should have. 3. Why has he not signed a new contract that will earn him more money at a club he is doing well with? If you say he's keeping his options open, then why and what for? I also didn't day he's pishing to leave; I said I think he will.
Yes, you are correct. People shouldn't get steamed up. Perhaps in future, just to keep the peace, you'll end every statement about players coming or going by mentioning that you'd heard the news from a reliable source in your opinion. That should keep everyone happy.
Yep, nothing can be proven until it happens and if a person with info gave away the person telling them info, that person could get in trouble work wise.
these are the things that stick out for me. of course his website carries a one line message about the sunderland game but it represents meagre acknowledgement this season and his twitter and site are supposed to be managed for him.
Even better, when something doesn't happen because circumstances changed, and a genuine ITKer is hung out to dry. edit: this reminds me to unfollow agent_itk after two seasons. at least that was an entertaining summer before he admitted it was bollocks.
Your last bit is the biggest question mark for me. With this in mind, why on earth would he not sign that contract? All the risk is with the club and the gain with him, but he hasn't signed it.
If he thought there was a doubt about his recovery, Jay should sign because it is the club carrying the risk, but if he is confident of a good recovery why would he tie himself down....especially after he has seen what happened to Morgan. Btw...some fans talk about him owing us because we have paid him whilst he is injured. Don't agree with this as he was injured doing his job. Would be different if he hurt himself falling over a rug at home.
1. So you do have evidence for your opinion..? Whether it is reliable or not is open to question though, I take it. 2. Players not saying anything is not necessarily an automatic guideline that they want out, is it..? I mean, several players don't say anything, but that doesn't mean they're leaving. 3. I don't know why he hasn't signed a new contract. Perhaps he'll get around to it. If I was SFC I'd wait until one of my many star players wasn't going to break down two games into his recovery, wouldn't you..? My guess [I have absolutely nothing to go on] is that he may sign an extension when it is proven that he's recovered. As I said. I don't go on gut feelings or anything like that. If I type something regarding Saints, that might be contentious, I hopefully make it clear that it is my opinion, or fact. Generally, if I have an opinion, it is backed up by circumstantial evidence that doesn't quite amount to fact, and my personal experience of Southampton FC. Of course, any experience I've had which pre-dates July 2009 pretty much counts for nothing, so I have very little to go on these days. Blowed it. Chelsea won. 2-1
TSS - point 3 - what You'd do if you were SFC is irrelevant; they have offered a contract 2/3 months ago and he hasn't signed it. Contract on table, player injured (so major commitment to you from your club), but you've not signed it? Could you speculate as to why not?
Fran, people are telling me there is nothing to Jay leaving? Why would he not tie himself down then? Why would what happened to Morgan matter to him? Unless.... He has been approached or knows there is an option to leave. For any of what you posted to be relevant, he must have a doubt about staying; otherwise, he swivels the paper round and signs his name.
