Rwanda - can it get any dafter?

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FosseFilberto

FosseFilberto

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Article from the BBC sums up how ludicrous the whole plan is - must admit I didn't realise just how daft the whole thing is ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68841417

Silliest thing is that we are shipping people out there to have their cases heard - so if they should actually be successful with their asylum claims we then have to bring them back to live in the UK <yikes>

Are you seriously telling me that this will be cheaper than simply employing enough staff to process asylum claims here?

We are also attempting to bypass or side step numerous human rights conventions in order to send people there in the first place - any of which could result in those denied them coming back on appeal ...

Utter madness - completely ludicrous.
 
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FosseFilberto said:
Article from the BBC sums up how ludicrous the whole plan is - must admit I didn't realise just how daft the whole thing is ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68841417

Silliest thing is that we are shipping people out there to have their cases heard - so if they should actually be successful with their asylum claims we then have to bring them back to live in the UK <yikes>

Are you seriously telling me that this will be cheaper than simply employing enough staff to process asylum claims here?

We are also attempting to bypass or side step numerous human rights conventions in order to send people there in the first place - any of which could result in those denied them coming back on appeal ...

Utter madness - completely ludicrous.
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Stop the boats innit

Sort of **** that the Tories think will appeal to their core voters

Doesn't matter how much it costs or whether it actually works

That's where that party is at right now.
 
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PINKIE said:
Doesn't matter how much it costs or whether it actually works
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Thats what makes me despair.
People just see "Ship them off the Rwanda" and start whooping and high fiving each other like ******s, without putting any thought into how much the whole thing will cost or whether it will actually be successful.
I am open to any and all options regarding mass immigration. I am by no means anti immigration but realise there has to be caps and limitations and screening processes etc, after all we dont want to be letting just any degenerates into the country, but I really cannot see how this is going to work, any which way you look at it, seems like one of the dumbest things ever proposed!!
 
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FosseFilberto said:
Article from the BBC sums up how ludicrous the whole plan is - must admit I didn't realise just how daft the whole thing is ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68841417

Silliest thing is that we are shipping people out there to have their cases heard - so if they should actually be successful with their asylum claims we then have to bring them back to live in the UK <yikes>

Are you seriously telling me that this will be cheaper than simply employing enough staff to process asylum claims here?

We are also attempting to bypass or side step numerous human rights conventions in order to send people there in the first place - any of which could result in those denied them coming back on appeal ...

Utter madness - completely ludicrous.
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err no as the Bill states the asylum claim will be heard and if asylum granted it will be in Rwanda. The real pointless bit is the maximum number that can be sent is 400 and for this we have paid £500m <doh>
 
Bodinki said:
Thats what makes me despair.
People just see "Ship them off the Rwanda" and start whooping and high fiving each other like ******s, without putting any thought into how much the whole thing will cost or whether it will actually be successful.
I am open to any and all options regarding mass immigration. I am by no means anti immigration but realise there has to be caps and limitations and screening processes etc, after all we dont want to be letting just any degenerates into the country, but I really cannot see how this is going to work, any which way you look at it, seems like one of the dumbest things ever proposed!!
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I think most people other than the outward racist ******s want to see a proper immigration policy that grants asylum to those who are fleeing war / torture etc and deports those who come here for economic reasons without applying for visas etc.

The Tories’ Rwanda policy addresses neither. In practice it would only likely send a few hundred people to Rwanda out of the 50k asylum applicants that need processing. So it’s not even designed to deal with the issue, it’s just an attempt to make it look like a deterrent, when the actual people making the crossings either don’t even know about it, or are so desperate, they’ll just ignore it anyway.

It doesn’t work as a deterrent and it doesn’t work as a viable asylum processing system.

In short it’s an expensive, poorly thought out ****tard attempt to appeal to frightened old Tory voters who think brown people are here to clog up their hospitals and steal their homes.

It also might be designed to antagonise the ECJ as it flouts so many human rights laws, and give the Tories an excuse to try and take the UK out of the jurisdiction of the European court of justice.
 
PINKIE said:
I think most people other than the outward racist ******s want to see a proper immigration policy that grants asylum to those who are fleeing war / torture etc and deports those who come here for economic reasons without applying for visas etc.

The Tories’ Rwanda policy addresses neither. In practice it would only likely send a few hundred people to Rwanda out of the 50k asylum applicants that need processing. So it’s not even designed to deal with the issue, it’s just an attempt to make it look like a deterrent, when the actual people making the crossings either don’t even know about it, or are so desperate, they’ll just ignore it anyway.

It doesn’t work as a deterrent and it doesn’t work as a viable asylum processing system.

In short it’s an expensive, poorly thought out ****tard attempt to appeal to frightened old Tory voters who think brown people are here to clog up their hospitals and steal their homes.

It also might be designed to antagonise the ECJ as it flouts so many human rights laws, and give the Tories an excuse to try and take the UK out of the jurisdiction of the European court of justice.
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I always look at it as if what would I do if I was in power.

1. I would open up to migrant workers, I couldn't give you numbers because I don't have a clue on numbers, but whatever we need to fulfil the job vacancies. And none of this less than minimum wage shhite, a proper legal wage and any accomodation arrangements are in addition to their wage, not part of their wage, you want them, you pay for them.

2. Set up a proper asylum system, in discussions with France. In which we make an agreement with the EU if any migrants then come across on a boat or lorry they are sent straight back, stop the criminality, save lives, no bucking any legitimate system set up.

3. Also set a quota for each council to take of asylum seekers, none of this putting your hand up if you want them, EVERY council forced to take them. So for example if you live in Dover, they shouldn't be taking more asylum seekers than someone in Cornwall. Much like you can't have Abe saying but they are taking our jobs or Pinkie saying they are taking our housing from the poor, you can't be having it both ways. Although you would logically put them where they are more required economically, probably Thanet lol.

4. I'd probably move people like Pinkie back to London, free up a property in sunny Cornwall for those in more need. I'm sure we can set him up a shed outside Tottenham Hotspur Stadium for him.

5. In other words, I aint got a clue but just fooking sort it out.

Moto: give me the solution not the problem.

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I always look at it as if what would I do if I was in power.

1. I would open up to migrant workers, I couldn't give you numbers because I don't have a clue on numbers, but whatever we need to fulfil the job vacancies. And none of this less than minimum wage shhite, a proper legal wage and any accomodation arrangements are in addition to their wage, not part of their wage, you want them, you pay for them.

2. Set up a proper asylum system, in discussions with France. In which we make an agreement with the EU if any migrants then come across on a boat or lorry they are sent straight back, stop the criminality, save lives, no bucking any legitimate system set up.

3. Also set a quota for each council to take of asylum seekers, none of this putting your hand up if you want them, EVERY council forced to take them. So for example if you live in Dover, they shouldn't be taking more asylum seekers than someone in Cornwall. Much like you can't have Abe saying but they are taking our jobs or Pinkie saying they are taking our housing from the poor, you can't be having it both ways. Although you would logically put them where they are more required economically, probably Thanet lol.

4. I'd probably move people like Pinkie back to London, free up a property in sunny Cornwall for those in more need. I'm sure we can set him up a shed outside Tottenham Hotspur Stadium for him.

5. In other words, I aint got a clue but just fooking sort it out.

Moto: give me the solution not the problem.

VOTE brb

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started off ****… got worse lol

but part of the problem this govt have created for themselves is removing all safe routes for asylum, so that’s why we have so many people trying to get here via illegal routes.

I know there’s no easy answer, but the first thing I would do is have a proper system for people seeking asylum to enter the UK and be assessed. That requires huge investment into border force and home office, but would likely work out cheaper than this hair brained Rwanda scheme

you could then set some proper quotas, issue visas, citizenship schemes etc and alongside an immigration policy, get people into work where it’s needed.

The wider issue, which is probably harder to deal with is the underlying issues that mean people flee their countries seeking asylum. On the world stage the UK has a big role to play in applying diplomatic, financial and military pressure/support to countries where wars rage and human rights abuses take place.

our moral compass as a country here tends to be wayward. We support Ukraine against Russian expansionist agenda. But we also arm and support Israel who are the same expansionist aggressors in Palestine.

We also sell arms to countries and regimes who flout our own international agreements, so we are also part of the root cause of people seeking asylum in the first place.
 
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started off ****… got worse lol

but part of the problem this govt have created for themselves is removing all safe routes for asylum, so that’s why we have so many people trying to get here via illegal routes.

I know there’s no easy answer, but the first thing I would do is have a proper system for people seeking asylum to enter the UK and be assessed. That requires huge investment into border force and home office, but would likely work out cheaper than this hair brained Rwanda scheme

you could then set some proper quotas, issue visas, citizenship schemes etc and alongside an immigration policy, get people into work where it’s needed.

The wider issue, which is probably harder to deal with is the underlying issues that mean people flee their countries seeking asylum. On the world stage the UK has a big role to play in applying diplomatic, financial and military pressure/support to countries where wars rage and human rights abuses take place.

our moral compass as a country here tends to be wayward. We support Ukraine against Russian expansionist agenda. But we also arm and support Israel who are the same expansionist aggressors in Palestine.

We also sell arms to countries and regimes who flout our own international agreements, so we are also part of the root cause of people seeking asylum in the first place.
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You were supposed to give the solution not the problem, all you did was add more anti this anti that to the problem. You're FIRED!

Just adjusting quota numbers up for Cornwall as we speak now...

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brb said:
You were supposed to give the solution not the problem, all you did was add more anti this anti that to the problem. You're FIRED!

Just adjusting quota numbers up for Cornwall as we speak now...

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Well that’s why I mentioned having a proper asylum system. Opening up safe routes. And investing into the border force and home office.

We could also stick to our own rules about who we sell arms to.
 
PINKIE said:
Well that’s why I mentioned having a proper asylum system. Opening up safe routes. And investing into the border force and home office.

We could also stick to our own rules about who we sell arms to.
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But this isn't really about arms or Palestinians or Israel blah blah blah, we have a war thread for that bolloxs.

It's about how to resolve our asylum system problems - Making us more welcoming, while fighting criminality, also how we ensure all councils play their role, so every UK citizen is onboard with this and how it will all be fully funded and to ensure the required shelter is available.
 
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I'm bored already now.
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Have you tried a sightseeing tour? ...

Rwanda is very nice this time of year, I'm hearing ..and the government are offering free flights, free accommodation and, more than likely, free return and possible compo if your visit doesn't meet their expectations <laugh>
 
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But this isn't really about arms or Palestinians or Israel blah blah blah, we have a war thread for that bolloxs.

It's about how to resolve our asylum system problems - Making us more welcoming, while fighting criminality, also how we ensure all councils play their role, so every UK citizen is onboard with this and how it will all be fully funded and to ensure the required shelter is available.
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Again, that’s why I said we need a proper asylum system that opens up safe routes and properly assesses asylum claims, migrant claims and works with an immigration system. All of which requires investment into border force and home office.

I could mention it a 3rd time if you like <laugh>
 
FosseFilberto said:
Have you tried a sightseeing tour? ...

Rwanda is very nice this time of year, I'm hearing ..and the government are offering free flights, free accommodation and, more than likely, free return and possible compo if your visit doesn't meet their expectations <laugh>
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All looks and sounds very nice, as a freebie it would be well worth considering - probably nice to explore. Rather have a freebie in Europe somewhere.
 
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