@Toledo, I agree with most of Jayram's points, the only bit I don't agree with, is the insinuation that it is Wenger's/playing staff's fault for this amateurish state of affairs. Whether you like it or not, the situation we find ourselves every close season is quite comical. You have to ask yourself, to lend a quote from Baotelli "Why always us". Spuds rarely lose their best players (when they have any) and if they do, the purchaser plays top dollar, they drive a hard bargain, but us, it is usually the same the drivel, we will make you stay..... then we are not selling and before we know it we have sold YET again our crown jewel! I just don't understand why we always seem to lose our captain!
I think arsenal need to stop letting their top players hit the last year of their contracts - it puts the club in a difficult position for negotiation when there is that risk of losing them on a free
Well, our captain is usually our best player and they can cash in. Being made Arsenal captain is a bit like winning the lottery. No player that is established at Arsenal is going to renew their contract, and miss out on what is essentially a lottery win. As long as these, "Money is no object" clubs are allowed to throw their cash around, a club like ours is never going to hold on to players that will certainly improve their team. I'll be sorry to see RVP go, but I also have the opinion that we are gaining momentum. I do think that as a team Arsenal are starting to rely on a group effort, rather than individuals. The secret is going to be getting 20 players, with none of them superstars. That way, if we lose one or two every year, it isn't a big deal. So I have a different opinion to the Jayrams. I don't think we need A-list players to win. 100% B-list will do it. A team of Ramseys, Songs, and Artetas can win, as long as the team is deep enough. We also have a chance of hanging onto them because there is no obvious target to be lured away.
To avoid us losing our best player next season - its always our captain that gets stolen, so we should promote Squishy as non-playing captain.
Viera blames Wenger if RVP leaves. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9274013/Arsenal-and-Arsene-Wenger-to-blame-if-Robin-van-Persie-quits-as-Patrick-Vieira-predicts-young-stars-would-follow.html
I have to disagree with this. Without RVP god knows what our final position would have been. There are teams who already have 100% B-list players and they dwell in perpetual mid and lower league mediocrity. Is that what you would consider acceptable for Arsenal? There is one irrefutable fact about the premier league: top players win you trophies!
This is a nauseating viewpoint. B-list players? That will do? . Seems you are content for us not to compete.
I agree, a team like Everton, (no disrespect) have a team of 100% B-list in abundance, one thing you cannot fault the team is endeavour, a team of Arsenal's stature should not be reliant on endeavours alone! We pay top dollar at the gates, the move to Emirates was to enable us compete........
I'm just pointing out that the math doesnt add up. Unless you expect these good players to play for half the going rate, we cant afford to pay 100k/week (5M/year) for 20 players. That essentially adds up to 100M, which doesn't leave a lot of room for reserve teams, youth teams, coaches etc. I'm just saying that what you are hoping for is virtually impossible. I don't know what "content" has to do with it, Do I want our wage bill to be 300M/year, sure, but there is no sense hoping for it, it isn't going to happen.
As I keep pointing out this has nothing to do with ambition. We cannot afford to pay RVP what Man City pay Adebayor, who they rate so poorly, they pay him to play for somebody else. Not only can we not afford to pay him the same as Adebayor, but we can barely afford to offer him more than half what Adebayor is making! If money has anything to do with it then RVP is gone and there isn't anything Arsenal FC can do about it. Veira is a dickhead who is just mocking Arsenal. As far as I am concerned any reference to the man ought to be removed from Arsenal FC and he should be told he is no longer welcome anywhere near the club.
Agree with this. According to this we've issued a medi ban on Rvp http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/18/arsenal-robin-van-persie-holland?newsfeed=true
I didn't even bother reading Toledo's response to Jayram's perfectly reasonable and agreeable list of Arsenal failings, it would've been a waste of 1 minute of my life and I need those 60 seconds !! How anyone can argue about this is beyond me. Letting your best players run into the final year of their contract is predictably dumb and usually ends the same way - player leaves. Flamini anyone ? (don't give me nobody knew his last season would be his best season - he was an able deputy even before his last season) I say we sell RVP for top dollar and use the money - else risk losing him for free. This nobility Wenger seems to rely on does us as a club no favours. Fcuk being noble, just sell the player and build your squad based on players who WANT to stay, not players you have to BEG to stay
Toledo, Nonsense. Van Persie won't be leaving over wages. He wants assurances that we will further strengthen this Summer.(and should he leave, he will more than likely say as much) Also we have 34 players on first team wages. If we cut loose the dead wood it would free up a lot of money towards wages, so yes we could afford to give RVP 200k if we really wanted. My bet is though Wenger will keep practically all of these players and they will remain on our wage bill. At RVPs stage of his career the guy wants a few major trophies under his belt. Unless we change our policy that's not going to happen at ARsenal.
The math simply does not add up. Cutting loose Bendtner, a substantial portion of whose wages are being paid by Sunderland, isn't going to save enough money to do crap. Same for Vela, Denilson and at least half of the 19 players we have out on loan. I suspect that in order to sign any player you consider strengthening the side, we are looking at paying them over 100K. We have to sign players that consider themselves as good as Bendtner and will not ask for more money than him. It is very likely, that you (or RVP) will not consider a player like that strengthening. The money you save by letting some players go will not cover the improved contracts for Song and Walcott. And we still have to find a reserve goalkeeper, improve Sczezney's contract, and up practically everyone else, unless you want to have last year syndrome all over again. Moaning about ambition and expecting us to sign M'Vila who is going to cost 20M and expect 100K+ salary, up RVP to 130K, up Song and Walcott to 100K and fund it all because we save 50K in wages is just nuts. You guys want to outspend Man City and Chelsea and that is a certain way to lose.
