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Rumours Warnock may have resigned

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  1. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member
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    Is he better than Green, Varney or Norris - Warnocks replacements?
     
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    Interestingly, Norris has been just as inconsistent as Clayton, but to be fair to him, he's not been selected as often as Clayton was, so it's difficult to build confidence & maintain momentum in those circumstances.

    Green hasn't been used very often in CM, so it's not fair to compare. He has been quite excellent in RM, and consistent with it. A great buy, IMO (or wasn't he a free?).

    Varney? Pah, won't waste words on him, other than to mention that he wasn't bought as a replacement for Clayton, but as cover for Becchio (only for Snoddy to leave & Warnock try to convince us that he was now a replacement for Snoddy, & subsequently signed Gray to cover for Becchio). Still need to get rid. He couldn't cover for me atm.
     
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  3. Irishshako

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    Fair play Kiwi, you said exactly what I wanted to say, but I get bored after typing a few words. <ok>
     
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  4. kiwi

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    As Whitejock's already said, I think Green is better, if less creative. Norris is just as inconsistent, but certainly capable on his day, just the same as Clayton. Varney isn't a central midfielder, and the less said about him the better.

    Also I have to go out on a limb and be slightly controversial...I think Tonge is much better than Clayton as well <ok>
     
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  5. kiwi

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    <laugh> fair play, it's either type that or do uni work, and I'm definitely procrastinating right now!
     
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  6. Whitejock

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    Good point, well made. Fully agree.
     
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  7. kiwi

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    Really hope we sign him permanently, then just add a proper playmaker, a la Faurlin. Get Austin back fit and firing back like he was at the start of the season and add a proper left winger (Thomas if he fancies a return) and retain Becchio and Byram and who knows what can happen. Really need to start playing some football first though, mind <doh>
     
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  8. ristac

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    Fair enough to all the comments, I am amazed ANY of our midfield is rated by anyone on here... We have a worse defensive record than at the same time last season and we have had the fewest shots on goal out of any championship team, we are VERY lucky to be where we are in the table and IMHO it is all down to us having one of the worst midfield in this division.

    I wasn't bothered with us selling Clayton, we finished mid table last season and as far as I was concerned nobody was irreplaceable, I did however hope that we replaced those leaving with better quality and I honestly do not believe we have done that.

    I was also just picking up on one point of the argument, now throw into that argument the £800k or so that Warnock blew on Peltier and the wasted wages on Gray and Drury and Pearce the best player at Portsmouth???
     
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  9. kiwi

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    All the midfield are decent, if unspectacular players. Most would be decent back up to a promotion chasing side. Our problem is, we need a proper playmaker in there, someone who is always available for a pass, knits play together and orchestrates attacks. You say we have the worst midfield in the division, I disagree. Our problem is we never use the midfield, we bypass it, long ball to the strikers, too often. Look at the games where we have used the midfield - Huddersfield, Everton, Southampton, and to a lesser extent, Leicester and Palace. We definitely need a creative player in there to take the ball off the back 4 and use it wisely. The players we have could all do a decent job alongside this player, but the problem is we have no hub. We need an experienced (that doesn't mean old!), quality player to sit in there and create things, get the ball wide, get it forward, make things happen. For lack of a more realistic player off the top of my head, we need someone like Whittingham.
     
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  10. ristac

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    I agree we DO need that player however we are far more than one player short of a promotion challenging side, Warnock has also spent far more than Grayson ever had to spend. I wanted Warnock, I was over the moon when we got him, one year on and I am regretting it. Not just are we no better off in terms of position, we are playing some of the worst football we have ever played in the last 20 years.
     
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    :laugh:
     
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  12. kiwi

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    Of course we are, we need a dominant CB, a proper LB (or failing that use Drury), a midfield playmaker, re-sign Tonge, another winger or preferably 2, and maybe even another forward. Warnock may have spent more, but the key similarity is that they both had to deal with the continual loss of key players. Only difference is Warnock was allowed at least a small amount of the Snodgrass fee to strengthen. But when you have to spread £1.5m over 11 players it is inevitable that you will have to make do with average players. The football we're playing at the moment is horrendous, we all know it, but I don't see how any manager could get the current group playing free flowing, fancy football. We need investment, and Warnock hasn't exactly had the backing, regardless of how much more you say he spent than Grayson. He signed average players out of necessity - that was his budget.
     
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    You can't expect to replace Snodgrass, Gradel, Howson, Clayton (Warnock's own choice) and build a back 5 for around £2.5m combined with our average wage budget, meaning we can't even compete for the best free transfers.

    As Kiwi pointed out, you are going to have to make do with average players. Also, when Leeds sell Snodgrass it sends out a signal to the better players available for transfer to Championship clubs that Leeds United is a place to avoid if you are looking to reach the Premier League. Compare this to Cardiff who stated that Peter Whittingham was not for sale over the summer and kept their best player.
     
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  14. ristac

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    When Warnock took over he had the same team as Grayson had, that same team performed worse under Warnock. Nobody told Warnock he had to replace 11 players, he only lost Snodgrass, the rest he decided to release or sell. I think you will also find he spent at least double your 1.5m figure.

    Pearce £500k
    Peltier £700k
    Kenny £500k
    Varney£300k
    Austin £700k

    Figures are conservative estimates from various sources, I didn't use the Wiki entry stating £900k for Paddy... We also had signing on fee's and agent fee's for Gray, Drury, Ashdown, Diouf

    Warnock the same manager that allowed Sam to leave on a free when he is twice the player Varney is. This is What Warnock said about Varney:

    And Drury

    Warnock has got it all wrong, he has signed players not up to the task, players that he has worked with before and been chasing a long time, they were not as make shift as you would like to believe. Warnock the only person who believes our priority should be another striker!!!

    Gradel and Howson were gone before Warnock took over, he only lost Snodgrass this season.
     
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    "When Warnock took over he had the same team as Grayson had, that same team performed worse under Warnock."

    However when Howson was injured against Millwall, results/performances under Grayson went drastically downhill also. Got a lucky draw at Watford after the Millwall game, and 7 points in the New year, all against 10 men (Burnley, Palace and Ipswich). I'd have stuck with Grayson, because our "explosion of activity" in the transfer market over the summer certainly didn't suggest an improvement on the previous seasons 7th place finish. Grayson demonstrated his managerial ability in his previous seasons at the club to establish he wasn't at fault (also no rational manager would make the decisions that happened in 2011) the blame was down to Bates. This was confirmed when Grayson spoke of his attempts to sign Gorkss and Cork (finished 1st and 2nd respectively with their 2 clubs).

    "Gradel and Howson were gone before Warnock took over, he only lost Snodgrass this season."

    But who were their replacements?

    Gradel- Pugh and Robbie Rogers
    Howson- N/A

    The fans were rightly disgusted with the Howson sale, hence the protests for "Bates out" gathered momentum.
     
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  16. kiwi

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    £1.5m was probably wrong, I agree, but Austin was not £700k was he?! It was 200k, same with Varney...
    Either way, the money he spent was the money he had from the Snodgrass sale. He was not backed, he was forced to sell in order to strengthen. Nobody told him to sell 11 players in the summer, you're right, but if he kept them instead of signing who we have we'd probably be even further down the table. He released poor players, signed average ones. Sam was inconsistent and unpredictable, probably worth retaining for another year but certainly not a saviour. Varney on paper could've been okay, as things turned out he's been dire. Drury, I don't know what's happening there, he should be playing every week.

    He has signed players who aren't really up to the task, yes, but more out of necessity than choice! Do you honestly think if he was given £10m in the summer he would've signed Pearce, Gray, Peltier, Varney and Norris?!
     
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  17. Josh-LUFC

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    Yes we should've spent that money on about 4 players I'd say with a couple of quality frees maybe. Instead we got rid of players like Paynter and replaced with Gray or got rid of Bruce and then spent the first Hull game talking about how good a player he is, his logic is ****ed imo, he replaced bad players with worse ones. I find it far too easy to pick apart his transfer action which certainly doesn't point to a man that knows what he's doing and can 'wheel and deal' as everyone puts it

    <laugh> I get what you mean though. I'd prefer it if he got sacked and we showed intent on the next manager.
     
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    I'm still amazed any club took Paynter:smile:
     
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    <laugh> It took me a while too but in fairness he's scored 7 goals at donny
     
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  20. Irishshako

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    A Donny legend so....:wink:
     
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