Yes I am not disagreeing with the under-representation, more the fact that many of their members were against changing the voting system when there was a referendum a few years back. AV was the only form of PR the Conservative part of the then coalition would allow a vote on so had all these now angry people voted for it they would've got more than 1 seat that's for sure; now because it suits the party in power, the system will not be changed. Polls have shown most people living in the countryside oppose foxing hunting, using hounds to rip foxes to shreds doesn't appeal to most people.
The current voting system doesn't favour "the Party in power". It favours the Labour Party, who's vote tends to be concentrated in urban areas. One of the many reasons Labour had an appalling vote was because Milibland believed he could scrape home with 35% of the electorate in the main urban areas. The 2020 election will be fought under FPTP, the logic of which is impeccable, but this time with much more representative boundaries which will reflect the amount of people who live in them
Suppose the scientists are correct, and what we are now seeing is the beginning of mass migrations, mainly northward, due to global warming? I know it's much nicer to assume they are wrong, but just suppose?
Wasn't he already long dead? Although could be a mistake, I swear The Suns front page today was, "HITLER DISRUPTS BGT!" Who the f*** comes up with these bloody headlines. It's lousy journalism at it's best.
Could be true. According to the Sunday Sport, Elvis has been living on the Moon since 1977. And if Hitler has disrupted the filming of BGT, he will have gone a long way towards restoring his reputation as a humanist.
Getting a bit wearied by alphabet soup land. I saw Charlton had a new LBGT? something supporters club, but it did'nt really register until that loon started threatening the members, just what the initials stood for. Now you offer me BGT. Bisexual giant travellers? Big golfing trousers? Bright Green Tartan?
I don't understand why we need a LGBT supporters group, or laws allowing them to get married and all that stuff. We're all human, we all bleed the same, and feel the same! Wouldn't it be nice, if we lived in a world where people say, "Jeff & Dan are such a lovely couple" without the need to add "gay" or "homosexual" in there. It's going to draw out the crazy t****** who will seek to harm or abuse them. Which probably brings me to the next point. Why on earth does these mental imbeciles have so much hatred?
i have to say that i view the establishment of a charlton lgbt supporters group as a little bit of a conundrum in society. i can understand that having lgbt groups in society generally is one which is driving for equal rights and to be treated the same as everyone else, is a good thing and moves society on from the prejudices it once had. However, having a group within a smaller group such as CAFC supporters, shouts a different message of the sort that says look at us we are different. The purpose of being a CaFC fan is surely just that, to support CAFC. It is not to highlight differences from other supporters of the club. I think i will have to start a confused sub group of CAFC supporters, who dont understand why we should consider ourselves different from others in the stands.
I think different groups of 'different' people represented under one banner (CAFC for instance) is a good thing: they offer confidence to the individual; they offer a specific outlet to those who feel isolated from the mainstream; and they bring together the collective will of the marginalised. If I were a gay CAFC supporter, I would naturally gravitate towards a LGBT strand. And then all the strands unite under one collective flag. COYR!
I think the one banner thing is what I am trying to drive towards. The point of the banner is that we all rally around it regardless of race, colour, creed, sexuality or gender. It is the unifying factor not a splinter group within. Yes, society as a whole needs LGBT groupings for people to people to align themselves to and express their difference from others whilst seeking equality of treatment. Why does that have to extend to a football club where the alignment is to the club not to anything else. It ends up weakening both causes. Kick it Out would rightly react if supporters put together a klu klux klan Charlton supporters group or a colour specific supporters group since these seek to preclude other races and creeds. I, as a person living in the Kingdom of Mercia do not object to your statement that the Kingdom of Wessex is the one true kingdom but would not support a Wessex Nationalist Party within the ranks of Charlton support since I would see this as divisive. There is an appropriate place for pressure groups and splinter sections but it is not within football club support. I would and do condemn any Charlton supporter who is homophobic or anti transgenderist (if that is the correct term) in the same way as I condemn a racist or a religious bigot, but do not see the need for the splintering of supporters groups by the introduction of something that proclaims "we are different to you" thereby suggesting that they are better or worse supporters than others.
I don't agree with the 'splinter group' sentiment. Football has been seen as a mainly white/male/heterosexual pastime for generations and could, therefore, be viewed with some trepidation by gay/non-white/female fans. There is probably no real cause for this trepidation, but what better way is there to acclimatise than to do so with fellow gays/females/non-whites? Football supporters mirror society in many ways, and different strands of society will gravitate towards one another in a bid to feel secure and included - at least until they feel confident enough to go it alone. Having a Charlton LGBT serves to highlight how confident and proud these folk feel in and around their surroundings at The Valley.
The boundaries had already been re-drawn before the election to the advantage of the tories who got only 37% of the vote. Labour lost nearly all its seats in Scotland which was the leading factor in their defeat despite their majority of London constituencies. The current system isn't impeccable as the other parties votes were not reflected in the seats they gained eg 4 million, 2 million and 1+ million. It will be just as difficult for the other parties to make gains under a boundary reformed FPTP as they would need proportionately far more votes than the party in power, to gain a seat, who would need far less.
Boundaries are reviewed by the Boundary Commission NOT any of the political parties http://boundarycommissionforengland...eral-information-what-we-do-and-how-we-do-it/ The proposed changes are designed to equalise the size of constituencies rather than keep any particular party in power
