Fergie's trophy haul at Utd was amazing and his stature was/is deserved but that also gives/gave him the ok to basically say and do what he wants whether it was right or wrong, it does seem strange that he backed a policy of receiving less money than other clubs despite Utd being the richest club and missing out on better players and missing out on the possibility of more silverware, I'd say he was wrong to openly back the Glazers against the wishes of the supporters, but him being who he was got him away with it.
He got away with backing the glazers because we were dominating English football still, we've won more than plenty since they came in and whilst I do agree they are money grabbing ****s we can't complain about the amount of silverware we have won.
That's sound Style, just saying it could have been more if he'd spent some more of the money he claimed was available.
Fergie you swine, going around winning **** while the evil glazers fat cats steel our trillions. Im unsure, are we now blaming the glazers or are we blaming Fergie for giving us the impression we were good whilst the terrible reality is we were rubbish and poorer than a dole dosser.
You've been saying you want Moyes sacked UIR, thank the Glazers not being prepared to pay him £20m as the reason you'll be disappointed for the foreseeable future and thank Fergie for recommending a SIX year contract.
If he gets sacked now he gets 6 years wages. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-moyes-lands-staggering-36m-1879571 Can't see the Yanks parting with 36m.
There is no way Moyes will be sacked this season, I'm fairly confident of that. I think if Moyes is going to be sacked then the earliest I can see it happening is at the end of next season. I think though aslong as he gets a top 4 finish next season, then his job will be safe
Erm have you seen the number of different defenders we have used this year and the amount of injuries we've sustained? We've chopped and changed due to injury all year while Moyes has due to his inability to pick his best team. Don't agree on RVP either. We had Suarez out at the start and still got loads of points, we also had Coutinho out for a long period, along with Gerrard, and now Lucas, as well as Allen. You point about us getting lucky with injuries is totally and utterly wrong mate. - Johnson out - Jose been out for ever - Sakho out - Kelly out - Agger has been out - Courtinho was out for over a month - Gerrard has been out - Allen is out - Lucas is out - Suarez has been suspended We've coped really well considering. Again your point is pony mate, although I agree the point that we're not miles ahead of you in terms of quality. Lucky with injuries. What were you thinking
Fergie milked the last out of Vidic Rio Evra Carrick. Others have just not performed as good as last season RvP goes missing and when you aren't winning you notice it more. Moyes has inherited a pile of old crocked ****e bar a couple, Fergie got the last drop out of that team. Giggs is probably still your best midfielder
How on earth does RVP go missing? He's done pretty well this season when he's been playing, he's got 3 in 3 since his return from injury. Not bad going. Suarez is the one who goes missing, he just bangs in a hatful against the likes of Norwich, and other relegation struggling sides, but hasn't scored in any games against top 4 opposition, he couldn't even score against us in the League Cup. Suarez is a flat track bully, who goes missing in the big games, and the stats back it up. RVP on the other hand has proven to be a big game player. He's missed a lot of the big games this season through injury, but he still managed to sink Arsenal at OT, and last season he was the difference maker, scoring at Anfield, scoring at Stamford Bridge, scoring at the Etihad, and scoring at the Emirates. He also scored plenty of goals at home against the big teams too. That's what makes a striker world class, Suarez on the other hand still has it to all to prove, as he rarely if ever delivers in the big games
Surely that's if they get sacked for no reason. If a football manager is not doing the job he's paid to do, and that in this case it to manage Manchester United to success, then they are within their rights to sack him for dereliction of duty. And therefore he won't get the whole of salary paid up. We're not at that stage yet, there are way too many factors involved for the position we are in. This is obvious to anyone prepared to think in a clear and sane manner. However, if in the middle of next season we're floundering in tenth then I would say the Glazers are within their rights to sack Moyes with no pay off whatsoever. For the record though, the holes in the squad are the Glazers fault, not Fergusons. No doubt Fergie has been complicit in all this, toeing the party line etc., but the lack of funds provided and the fact Fergie had to not refreshed his squad in the way he would usually do (this has been proved time and again) is 100% down to the Glazers. Ferguson was protecting the club by managing the squad as best he could. And by **** it worked. Anyone who suggest he was selfishly protecting his own legacy and deliberately making it difficult for his successor is talking out of their ****ing arse. (yes Page, I mean you)
This is the bit you should have highlighted. Because I'm telling you that table does not lie in this case. Both clubs are ****ing miles ahead of us.
For me, the f**king greedy Glazers have been a huge burden on this club and the root of the problem. The earlier they f**k off the better. How can it not be a problem when around £600 million pounds have been taken away from the club?. This is money that has gone into the glazers pockets and to the banks who helped these f**kers grab the club. Can anyone imagine what £600 million could have done for United or any other club? So while some f**king yanks have been leeching and bleeding the club. others have actuallydone the reverse and pumped millions into Chelsea, City and even the scousers. I remember at the time when the "coup" happened many including very sensible analysts predicted a period in the doldrums and even decline. The only reason this did not happen was Ferguson. How he did this was just incredible. He was a genius who knew how to make the most of what he had and on a relatively limited budget. But also he had in Giggs and Scholes midfielders who baled him and the greedy Gs out and who postponed the massive expenditure needed for 2-3 quality midfielders. The disappointing thing is Ferguson openly supported the f**king greedy Gs. Why he didn't insist on spending more over the years is a mystery. Maybe the Gs restricted his budget. He never admitted to that. I doubt if Fergie had insisted on buying quality midfielders to replace our ageing ones the Glazers would have said no. Yes Moyes has not done well so far. The retirement of SAF who was United was bound to create a huge upheaval. When things went wrong Fergie could steer the ship because he had been working with these players for a while and he knew how to steer the team from the rocks. Moyes has had only a few months with them. To say that the players are top quality is just delusional. The only top players we have are Rooney and RVP. Now we have added Mata to the squad. Shouting and screaming for the manager to get sacked is just pointless. I doubt the Glazers and the board will sanction that. The only thing that I felt would get Moyes sacked would have been the risk of relegation. Now that is no longer a risk even if United lose their remaining games. The first half of next season will be crucial. If United keep losing points at OT to teams like WBA, Fulham, and other teams in the bottom half, then he is a goner. And I'll be first to ask for his head.
You talk nearly as much ****ing bollocks as smith. We won all the games at the start of the season when Suarez was banned. We've had some really bad injuries - Agger, Lucas, Enrique, Sakho etc. As it stands, the previous poster is right. Liverpool and Arsenal are both better than you, and we'll beat you at your place as well just to underline it. #bookmark
That's sound Ruff, but not wearing utd tinted glasses I can see both sides of the debate, theres plenty of Utd supporters that are not happy with Fergie's dealings with the Glazers and his not preparing Utd or Moyes for life at OT after his retirement. Utd should have been more open as to whether Fergie only recommended him and the length of contract and the dismantling of Utd's backroom is down to the club allowing Moyes to do what he sees fit no matter what the consequences are.
I doubt most of the rest of the footballing world agree with you. By the way, Suarez is NOT a striker
He should have addressed the issue with the squad instead of cow towing to the Glazers, of that I agree 100%. The line 'there's no value in the market' can be roughly translated as 'there's no money in the transfer kitty'. That's pretty obvious. Ferguson bought the player he thought would get us over the line, last season that player was RVP, and patched up the other areas on a year on year basis. It's clear for all to see and all the more staggering that anyone thinks the squad he left is good enough for a new manager to come in and carry on where he left off. What I disagree with is he's done this deliberately to sabotage his successor, that's just mental. No way is this the case. I hate the fact he cozied up to the Glazers but the alternative would have been we got to where we are right now a good few years sooner.
