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Rosenior's Done One

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  1. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    I fear our ownership structure needs to grasp the fact that consistency and stability is significant if you want to outperform your budget and get promoted from this league.

    My concern over today's news isn't so much the loss of a promising up and coming young coach, it's the realisation that the approach is evidently short -termist and that they are apparently gambling on re-making the cake every year and hoping one randomly wins the bake off.
     
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    If we dont get promoted next season
    Is that manager out too?

    Two years has basically been thrown out the window

    Maybe itll be a masterstroke and we will finish in the autos next season

    But theres no cohesive plan
    For all the talk and pr...

    It is short term
    Its get to the prem as fast as possible as thats where the big money is
    No long term plan
     
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  4. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    I sincerely hope we're proven wrong.
     
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  5. bradymk2

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    I cant see it being wrong

    We might get promoted

    But we are just throwing as much money as possible and hoping
    Spending a fortune on loan fees

    Its sad theres actually no proper long term plan after two years
     
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  6. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    Time will tell. I'm sure similar was said following Barmby's dismissal and we went on to reach a historic high point with the next appointment.

    But I'd be lying if I didn't say I shared your concern.
     
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  7. Shark Sports

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    If the next appointment doesn't work, I don't think Acun will be around much longer.
     
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  8. tigerscanada

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    Is he making a bid for us? :emoticon-0100-smile:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  9. Ron Burguvdy

    Ron Burguvdy Well-Known Member

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    Hypothetical worries tend to be about situations in the future that are currently uncertain, or out of our control; things that we cannot do anything to change, though have a good debate on here FACT...
     
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  10. Mckechnie Orange

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    He'll be around for as long as it takes to either get promoted, or get his money back out of the club.

    Either way he's going to have to achieve some sort of success.

    He must be in it for about 60m now, and he won't be just walking away from that. Even if he wanted to.
     
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  11. tigerscanada

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    Member of Syd's captive audience ? :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  12. Shark Sports

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    Not sure it can be that much. Bought for £20m and put in £9m according to last accounts. He can't have put £30m in this year, the wage bill can't be that big as we shifted a lot of big earners from last year.

    He didn't buy the club to become a mid-table championship team and cost him £10m a year to run. I think he'll look to sell if we don't kick on. It's easy to go backwards in the Championship, Coventry have on paper this year, although I'd argue they're more well rounded this year and there's probably not much between them this year and last but the league is just stronger.
     
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  13. Mckechnie Orange

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    there have been no significant sales this year. Last year we were running a 20m deficit but that was offset by KLP.

    Baz reckoned he was putting in 24m this year to cover the operating losses. That doesn't seem unrealistic to me.

    So add that to the 12m or so deficit in the last 2 years accounts and the purchase price of the club and you get the ballpark figure.
     
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  14. Shark Sports

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    That's only from a FFP perspective, the KLP fee is likely to be paid over 3/4 years so just because the full whack was in last year's accounts that doesn't mean that's when we got it.
     
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    I think you'll find the fee counts for the year in which a player is sold, not when the fee is received.

    Either way it's an aggregate over a rolling 3 years for ffp. So largely irrelevant, but the losses/liabilities remain the same as the accounts. You're just arguing about when the bills have to be paid, not the headline figures.

    A loss is still a loss, and liability is still a liability regardless of when it falls due. A deficit is still a deficit.
     
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    Yes that's what I've just said. So the reality is we've received a similar amount for KLP this year as we did last. Therefore, why would he need to put in £24m when he only needed to put in £9m last year? It just doesn't make sense.
     
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    What on earth are you on about? The knee jerk is from Acun, and the criticism from 99% of the fan base about that knee jerk is not itself a knee jerk. As I said, the sacking of Rosenior has now raised expectations to Automatics at a minimum, because if we're just settling for play offs, that would have been the expectation under Rosenior so what's the point of the change?

    If you're really upset at me calling you sycophantic I think you need to take your fragile ego elsewhere, as that's very much at the soft end of 'insults' if you want to call it that. You and TC with your 'Hail our glorious leader and do not question him' routine.
     
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  18. Mckechnie Orange

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    If you're now saying he put in 9m, that's more than the club accounts showed, but may have included the coach travel if that was off the books.

    It's easy enough to Google, but the losses still need to be rectified.

    As I said before, the KLP fee showed in last year's club accounts, so won't be duplicated and counted again in this year's.

    So to offset similar or higher losses this year with only really Oscars loan fees and 1.5 recd for Tetteh then the 24m that Baz is quoting for this year seems quite feasible.
     
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  19. SydneyTiger14

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    Wtf you're going to cite depth players who weren't good enough for the level? Ally? You may as well list that random Turkish kid in our U21s. Utter, utter rubbish.
     
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  20. greene

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    Jeez just catching up with all this stuff. All I can say is that it leaves me with an ever increasing disengagement with professional football.

    A sad day…
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