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Rosenior Out

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Sir Cheshire Ben, Nov 12, 2022.

  1. zimozimo

    zimozimo Well-Known Member

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    Our form has been worse since we signed all the players we did in January. It seems to have really disrupted us, and was probably too much at once, in hindsight.

    And we haven’t signed Premier League quality players, we’ve signed potentially Premier League quality players. None of them have seriously broken into the first team at their parent clubs in the top flight, and if they were currently good enough they wouldn’t be with us.
     
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  2. NewcastleTiger

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    All of which have been top performers for us since they joined. All of them will be playing it next season.
     
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  3. bradymk2

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    what killed our play off hopes
    were 4 points from 18

    scoring 5 goals in 6 games
     
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  4. zimozimo

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    I'm not sure they have all been top performers for us or that they'll definitely be playing in the Premier League.

    Carvalho – Has scored goals when no one else has, but unlikely to get an opportunity at Liverpool. Would need to be sold.
    Morton – Looked really good for us initially, but has dropped off somewhat since Christmas. Unlikely to get an opportunity at Liverpool. Would need to be sold.
    Delap – Unlikely to get an opportunity at Man City. Would need to be sold. Injury and lack of game time has probably scuppered that.
    Zaroury – Not getting a look in at Burnley, who will be relegated anyway. Hasn't really contributed much at City either.
    Giles – Likely to be with us.
    Ohio – Has't featured for us, really. Won't be in the PL.
     
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  5. bradymk2

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    Yea but theres a difference between playing for premier league title challenging teams and forest
     
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  6. zimozimo

    zimozimo Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
     
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    Whats your point?
    We have underpeformed
     
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  8. NewcastleTiger

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    Sorry I forgot I said they’ll all be playing for their parent club.
     
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  9. zimozimo

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    NewcastleTiger said that three of our January loan signings have been instrumental to our season and are all Premier League quality. We have under performed, with some really mixed performances from said loan players, none of which are actually breaking into the PL, or likely to do so next season either. So at this point in time, all they are is good Championship players that are potentially Premier League quality. If they had reached that potential, they wouldn't be here with us, they'd be playing in the Premier League. It's not complicated.
     
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  10. bradymk2

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    Has rosie underperformed?
     
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    Morton will be in the PL next season, Delap I believe will also be. Carvalho will also play for one. Making them in my eyes premier league level players.
     
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  12. zimozimo

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    I clearly stated that some of the players would need to be sold if they're going to play in the Premier League, as it obviously isn't going to be for their parent club. There are no guarantees a Premier League team would go in for any of them though.
     
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    My point also was
    Just becasue morton and carvalho might not play for liverpool
    Does not mean they cant play for a team like palace or forest etc

    Liverpool are fighting for titles

    Same with delap and man city

    Although i think delaps injury has probably increased our chances

    If he hadnt have gotten injured, he'd have so many interestrd teams after another 4 months of good play
     
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    Not the same, I borrow a hat and give it back. I then don’t need to buy a similar or better hat to improve.
    We lose a bulk of the squad, most of which are better than the core (that’s why they are here).
    We also lose some of that core squad, we need to replace them all and the loans with better players to reach the playoffs
     
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  15. bradymk2

    bradymk2 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly
    That analogy doesnt work at all in football

    And its why im on tentative about rosie
    As im not too sure he can be successful with another rebuild
     
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    So far, he's averaged 1.425 points a game since becoming our manager, which is just below play-off places form. So I don't think that he has underperformed, generally speaking, considering the dire state the club has been in over the last several years.

    Edit: for context, 1.522 points per game is the average for securing a 6th place finish. 2.000 points a game sees you finish top, and to avoid relegation, you normally need 1.000 point a game.
     
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    The issue is no matter what players we sign they will end up playing Rosenior's style of football ie playing out from the back & inviting the press
    Personally this style bores me to tears & it's not enjoyable to watch
    I couldn't care less about City being in The Premier League. Some of the most memorable games I've been to were in Div 2 & Div1 under Peter Taylor when we played fast counter attacking football & put 3/4/5 goals past teams
    Thats what fans want to see, we want to be entertained & be up off our seats as City bear down on goal
    I've supported City for 50 years but if Rosenior insists on his team playing the current style of football then I won't be going to watch it as its boring & frustrating & I get no enjoyment from it
     
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  18. zimozimo

    zimozimo Well-Known Member

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    It's mad that of all of the truly – truly – awful football city have played over those 50 years, that it would be Rosenior's style of play that would be too much to handle. It's almost as if it's about something else, and not the football at all.
     
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  19. NewcastleTiger

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    What a ridiculous thing to say.

    Rosenior has brought a good season on the whole in terms of excitement. That’s looking at the table. When you watch the football we play, it’s mind numbingly boring and that’s an opinion that many share. If you think it’s something deeper than that that’s on you.
     
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  20. zimozimo

    zimozimo Well-Known Member

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    It's not ridiculous at all. Rosenior's style of play is undeniably better than a lot of the garbage football played by city over the last half century. Even just thinking about recent history, are you saying that if someone stuck by the team through the terrible Allam years, when it felt like their was no joy and hope, that the club might cease to exist, that we would never be free from that, that all that dedication and hard work of being a supporter could all be undone by some sideways passing? The way some posters on here seem to froth at the mouth when declaring this is all a step too far and they'll never attend again, it has to be something else.
     
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