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Rosberg vs Hamilton: The race for the championship v1.5

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by El_Bando, Jun 13, 2014.

  1. eddie_squidd

    eddie_squidd Well-Known Member

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    It's fine. The extreme pro and anti just becomes noise in the end!
     
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  2. BamalamaFizzVaj

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    that he has the most hilariously defensive and easily upset fanboys? i noticed how you seem able to ignore all the comments on Rosberg, Vettel and practically any other driver.
     
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  3. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Well.... Yes I do. I stand up for both Vettel and Rosberg.

    I'm not upset by people having a dig at Hamilton, I just find it incredibly ironic.
     
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  4. dhel

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    Rosberg says some secrecy has to remain in F1 title battle
    By Jonathan Noble Thursday, June 26th 2014, 15:13 GMT




    Nico Rosberg sees nothing wrong in him and Mercedes Formula 1 team-mate Lewis Hamilton keeping information back from each other, despite their bosses' concerns about a lack of transparency.

    Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff suggested after the Austrian Grand Prix that the team risked its overall form suffering because its drivers were withholding information or disguising theirtrue pace in practice.

    But Rosberg, who bounced back from being knocked off the front row by Williams to win at the Red Bull Ring, reckons that there is little to worry about in what is happening between him and Hamilton.

    "It is all open," said the German, who leads the drivers' championship by 29 points from Hamilton.

    "The data, everything, is open. It is just sometimes you are not going to put it on the table and say: 'look, here is what I have done.'

    "If I find a little bit of an advantage somewhere then I am not going to tell everybody about it, I will keep it to myself. There are little bits and pieces."

    Despite some flashpoints off track this year especially at the Spanish and Monaco Grands Prix, Rosberg and Hamilton's rivalry has not boiled over in to an on-track clash yet.

    And Rosberg is adamant that the pair have a good enough understanding of what the team wants from them for matters not to get out of control.

    "In the background we are racing for the Silver Arrows and everything is free, because as a team we need to be strong," he said.

    "We are strongest when we work together and we do work together. And it will continue to be like that.

    "But at the same time we are fighting each other so when we can get a bit of an advantage over the other we will take it."




    So if they hide stuff from each other why was Hamilton working so hard on correcting the start-clutch problem Rosberg was having? As I remember during the last tests Hamilton spent a whole day working to sort out Rosberg's clutch problem.... And Rosberg is always talking about looking and studying Hamilton's data overnight to find where he is getting the extra tenths from.... I wonder after reading that bit if Hamilton will start doing things a little differently.in the other practice sessions before the race Hamilton would be faster then something happens in qualifying...some say he chokes some think Rosberg benefits from his data. So I wonder if he will go the same way in the future?
     
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  5. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    he was over 2 seconds behind Rosberg when his MGU-K packed up, Rosbergs went slightly later, meaning he had more power for longer, that is the reason their lap times went down, a loss of 20% engine power. Then, in the next few laps Hamilton closed a more than 2 second gap, very strange behaviour for someone who is apparently nursing a problem. How did he manage to close such a big gap, and why the **** would you? If you have a brake problem the last thing you want is to follow behind another car? No, someone with intelligence would've held station, but he's too thick, instead he decided to push his already failing car in a vain attempt to win, making his car go almost half a second a lap faster than Nico's who wisely did nurse his car so it made 18 points, rather than push it until it broke.

    Now, you can go watch the highlights of Canada and disagree, won't change it, he pushed his breaking car almost half a second a lap harder than his team-mate, that is why one made it to the end and one didn't.
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

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    Pretty sure I recall the pit-wall telling him to keep on Rosberg...
     
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  7. 2xwdcslayer

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    Hmmm, Alonso fanboys and X BBC 606 members on Hamilton's case I see.
     
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  8. Smithers

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    Thank God for this thread!
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

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    God can't save us now!!!
     
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  10. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    I am god now quit your jibba jabba
     
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  11. allsaintchris.

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    Haven't you got honeymoon things to be getting on with?
     
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  12. BrightLampShade

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    Vettels title to lose! He's playing the long game.
     
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    Between Laps 33 and 46 Lewis Hamilton produced faster lap times than Nico Rosberg on only 3 laps

    Lap 37 +0.310
    Lap 38 +0.350
    Lap 39 +0.980

    On Lap 39 Nico Rosberg went 0.366 secs slower than his previous lap and Lewis Hamilton went 0.264 secs faster than his previous lap.

    From Lap 40 onwards NR was faster than LH.

    Lap 40 Nico Rosberg went over 1 sec faster than his previous lap. Again, on Lap 42 he went a further 1 sec faster as did Lewis Hamilton.

    Thems the facts. Make of them what you will.
     
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  15. BamalamaFizzVaj

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    it's pretty obvious Mercedes are sandbagging engine-wise, Bahrain was the give away; where they pulled out such a ridiculous gap at such a rate per lap, and haven't really done so since. The question is are they constantly tickering with each drivers engines independently to force them closer together and make their little battle seem more exciting? I'm going to go with yes, especially after Hamiltons miracle start at the last one and also Canada where he asked for "all of the engines power", why would you not be running like that at the start of a race anyway?
     
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  16. allsaintchris.

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    With the restrictions on the number of units they can use during a season, if Mercedes are able to turn down the power units and still keep ahead then they'll be doing this to preserve the units and avoid penalties later in the season.

    It is worth nothing that they seem to have replaced less components than most, so what you say does have a great deal of sense about it.
     
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  17. BrightLampShade

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    Ideally you want to win by the smallest margin possible, even if this may not be good for the nerves!
    You get to save your car parts and well as tempting a competitor to chase you and potentially overly wear their parts. That said there can be something said for staying a pitstop ahead of the next person <ok>

    Once the championship is won a team might show off and go full beams for the glamour, but until that point it makes sense to get the win with the minimal car effort.
     
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  18. allsaintchris.

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    Thanks for all of your advice, however it seems brake failure was inevitable. If he had carried on he would have been a bigger danger to others going around with no brakes for 25 laps and doubtless would have finished out of the points anyway.

    http://plus.autosport.com/premium/f...mpared/?_ga=1.181967527.1273799173.1398675361

    If you don't mind, I'll take the words of an expert, Rob White, deputy managing director (technical) of Renault.........

     
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  19. BrightLampShade

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    Mr optimistic is on the case to make it a three way battle,

    When asked during the British Grand Prix whether he has already given up on the championship Alonso said: "Yes. I think if anyone apart from Rosberg and Hamilton tells you that they believe they can be world champion this year they will lie, and I don't like to lie."

    Where as Mr down in the dumps 17 points further back is less keen,

    "If you look at points and mathematics we can still fight for the world championship, so it would be stupid to say we're out," Vettel said when asked if he conceded the championship race is over from his perspective.


    Wait....
     
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  20. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    He needs to start beating Ricciardo first...
     
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