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Rosberg-Hamilton Incident Debate

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Aug 24, 2014.

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Who's Fault?

  1. Rosberg Caused The Crash? (Should Have Backed Out?)

  2. Hamilton's Fault? (Cut Across - Lack of Awareness?)

  3. Both at fault/Incident/50:50

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  1. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    Yea, all bosses are ultimately full of wind and piss. no-one will ever control the likes of Hamilton and Rosberg, what are Mercedes going to do "sack em" yea right !!!

    Try and manage to keep a lid on it but let em race ffs, in reality its only motor racing, not a nuclear power station radiation leak or Jihad attack.

    Let the battle continue, best season for years, common Lewis go **** the German, or whatever Rosberg is, thinking about it German will do nicely.
     
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  2. taeleon

    taeleon Well-Known Member

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    Mercedes may consider their driver line up if Rosberg and Hamilton can't race together:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29067962

    Given Rosberg's new contract mid season I think Mercedes are a little silly saying this given this would clearly point to Hamilton going and not Rosberg. But then again, alot of what they have come out with recently should have been kept behind closed doors!
     
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  3. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I'd guess he'll be at McLaren.
     
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  4. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    Unless something seriously drastic happens I can't see Hamilton breaking his contract and leaving Mercedes at the end of this year. Barring a disastrous winter, Mercedes will still probably be his best shot at the WDC next year and he should fancy himself to beat Rosberg on raw pace, which would force the team to get behind him, much like happened with Massa v Raikkonen in 2008. Moreover, again barring anything drastic, I can't see Mercedes sacking him, because his raw speed is some of the best on the grid and they will need that next year if the other teams close up.

    After next season it's a whole different kettle of fish. If things continue as they are now, I would not be surprised if we saw him in a Red Bull, or possibly even back at Mclaren, for Australia 2016. There's a whole lot of ifs on those though.
     
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  5. Smithers

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    Alonso 2007?
     
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  6. cosicave

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    Good find, EMSC.

    Apart from the weather, the above situation was as close to an exact replica of Rosberg v Hamilton 2014 as one could ever expect to find. Here, Schumacher did (one of) the right thing(s) and Rosberg knew the onus was entirely upon the attacker to decide the outcome. Schumacher had three choices: back off just before the kerb (before things would become critical); run wide as it became critical (which is what he did); or make contact with the other car.

    Rosberg was four years younger with four years less experience; yet evidently, even back then, he knew exactly what any attacker would have to do to avoid contact.

    The evidence you've found, EMSC, strongly suggests that Rosberg deliberately chose neither of the two safe options (i.e. that he preferred the 'contact' option). – And of course, by all accounts, this is what he actually confessed to!

    Nice find.
     
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  7. Mark Blow

    Mark Blow Well-Known Member

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    The only person to blame was Rosberg.
     
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  8. taeleon

    taeleon Well-Known Member

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    I know Lewis has said he won't seek revenge, but for some reason I can see the roles being reversed this weekend, except Lewis will try to puncture Rosberg's tyre but succeed in damaging only his own front wing and losing more points to Rosberg in the championship.
     
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  9. Mark Blow

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    will be a bit difficult if he's on pole and in the lead after the first lap
     
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  10. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    If he does then I would expect merc to keep to their word and go to town on him. I can see some overtaking maneuvers going on this weekend between the 2 though
     
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  11. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    Its World War 3 now innit, and we've already won 2, one more should be no prob for the young Englishman, eh.

    Whats your thoughts about a return to McLaren Honda ? ------ Ron must have an ace up his sleeve
     
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  12. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

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    Apologies for not seeing this before, Ernie.
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    I wouldn't be too surprised to discover Ron is a member of the Magic Circle… ;)

    Not quite sure what you're asking with "What's your thoughts about a return to McLaren Honda" though. Are you referring to Honda choosing to return to F1 with McLaren, or the idea of Hamilton going back to McLaren?

    Taking a guess at the latter first, one thing's for sure: Hamilton's idol – together with Alain Prost – highlighted the most dominant era for McLaren when running Honda engines. Irrelevant? Perhaps. But I know Hamilton has a keen sense of history (including his 'Senna-esque' helmet in the early days). More importantly though, he very much kept the door open at Woking. I also believe big Ron still sees him as the quickest driver of the modern era. Add these important factors together and the result points to at least a possibility for the future, doesn't it? I'd say 2016 at the very earliest though…

    As for the upcoming marriage of McLaren and Honda, both parties have a realistic outlook: neither are expecting to be at the front of the grid and the emphasis will be on reliability for at least the first half of the season. Only then, as inevitable gremlins are slowly overcome, will they be able to consider aiming for parity with today's established trio.
     
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  13. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    I seem to remember Honda taking some considerable time to get to grips with F1 during their first attempt, hopefully their new aspirations will bear fruit much sooner, I guess it's not a cold start as last time.
     
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  14. cosicave

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    <laugh> Tommy Cooper&#8230;
     
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  15. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Where else would he go, possibly Ferrari, but I think if the relationship becomes too hot at Merc it'll be Hamilton going to McLaren. Honda will demand a 'superstar' driver, Hamiltons unhappiness at McLaren coincided with Whitmarsh taking over, now his rotting body is 6 ft deep in some cold dank moor I think the obstacle has been removed.
     
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  16. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Martin Whitmarsh witlessly 'fell' into heavy marshland?
     
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  17. allsaintchris.

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    Everyone remembers Honda's domination of the late 80's and early 90's, but you are right, they took quite a while to get that turbo engine refined, think they started in early 83 and it took until the end of 85 for them to make it properly usable. Their 60's foray into F1 was not good, the image of Jo Schlesser burning in the magnesium skinned car is very haunting.

    Their last attempt also wasn't brilliant. Everyone remembers the last few years of the works Honda outfit in2007 & 2008, but they had in fact been hovering in an unofficial capacity going back to around 1999 when they started to take more of an interest in the Mugen-Honda engine Jordan's which were coming good. As soon as it went to official Jordan-Honda, their results went downhill and after that BAR never really got it right.

    Honda's problem was always trying to direct everything out of Japan, using Japanese logic and principles (the ditching of Williams in 1987 was said to be because Honda didn't want to work with a paraplegic, though the other story was Williams wouldn't take Nakajima in 88 to replace Mansell).

    If Honda really want success this time around, they need to let it develop in Britain, using Japenese technology mixed with British motorsport engineering.
     
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  18. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    That's not really fair, in 83 and 84 the engine was one of the fastest but was let down by the chassis' it was in.
     
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  19. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    Yea, the Japanese 'corporate' approach does not fit with F1's express requirement for change, both Honda and Toyota have proved this.
     
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  20. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    Yea, he alway's made me laugh too, "just like that" ha ha, I'm laughing now just thinking about it.
     
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