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Rosberg-Hamilton Incident Debate

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Aug 24, 2014.

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Who's Fault?

  1. Rosberg Caused The Crash? (Should Have Backed Out?)

  2. Hamilton's Fault? (Cut Across - Lack of Awareness?)

  3. Both at fault/Incident/50:50

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  1. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    You really need to check this link and tell me that you still believe Rosberg didn't do it deliberately.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9hXvw9yMw8&sns=em

    To me a racing incident is when someone makes an error ok...But if a man goes down the road and rapes a woman that isn't an error, it was deliberate. If he did it to prove a point and he could have avoided it but he chose not to..it isn't an error, so it cannot be termed a racing incident. A man can't go and rape a woman and then claim he made an error can he? Maybe that is going a bit overboard but basically the concept is the same. An error is something you did and that you thought was correct, but turns out not to be correct. Being deliberate is when you know something is wrong and it will have negative effects but you still go ahead and do it anyway...weather to prove a point or not it's deliberate. Simple as that!
     
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  2. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    Even if its a right hand corner you don't tug the steering wheel violently to the right especially when there is another car close to the right and just in front of you... Even a novice road driver knows that.
    I wish someone who is more technically efficient than i am could put up this video for everybody to see what i mean.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9hXvw9yMw8&sns=em
     
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  3. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    He probably didn't want to lose too much time to Hamilton by going on the run off area, there were also cars behind who could have taken advantage had he done so. It wasn't intentional, it was just clumsy driving unfortunately.
     
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  4. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    You can post the link a million times, but we've all seen it and it proves bugger all either way.
     
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  6. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    He could have backed out without losing too much time to Hamilton, couldn't he? And then if he was much faster than Hamilton as he is claiming - he had 42 more laps to prove himself right? Pulling out of the move wouldn't have taken much time out of him and he could have been on Hamilton tail quickly after. I really don't think it was just a case of desperation as it was only in the 2nd lap. Remember, this is Rosberg we are talking about ... Rosberg, who is extremely bright and a brilliant thinker???
     
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  7. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    And crap at overtaking.
     
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  8. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    HAHAHAHA LOL

    Why was it so critical for him to make such a silly and stupid move on the 2nd lap...If he was faster he had 42 more laps to make his move on Hamilton. So even his declaration that he was much faster than Hamilton makes his case even more poor... IF you are much faster then 42 more lap and you must get in front of me right?
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    There's two possible reasons this happened.

    1. He ballsed it up and preferred to spin a yarn rather than admit just generally arsing it up.

    2. Saw red mist in the heat of the moment and allowed it to happen.

    Either way, he's come out best in the situation and there's really nothing anyone can do about it. I don't believe he purposefully turned in to Hamilton though.

    His post race reaction has made him look a bit of a berk imo.
     
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  10. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    I agree he should have been more patient and not have risked the move on lap 2 but he probably thought Hamilton would give him more space but then realised too late there wasn't enough. The more I look at it, the more I feel that it was clumsy driving with no intention. I still think his race craft is poor though, he reminds me of the Vettel in 2010 and by that I mean he can dominate from pole but struggles in wheel to wheel racing. Vettel has improved that though.
     
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  11. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    You lot clearly didn't see his overtake on Bottas then, that's got to be up there with one of the best moves of the season.. And just remember, that Williams is easily the 2nd best car on the grid, but the drivers have both messed up since the start of the season.
     
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  12. Justjazz

    Justjazz Well-Known Member

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    The third possibility is that he made point to get team orders installed for the rest of the season...which i believe was his objective.
     
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  13. TopClass

    TopClass Well-Known Member

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    He turned in because he was so wide that he was about to hit the run of and cost himself 5-6 seconds. You are talking mimimetres and miliseconds here. Imagine if he had to change suspension and Hamilton had no puncture-no one would have said a word. It's becoming a bit of a soap opera with the British media this season.

    It was a poor error, luck was on his side in terms of Lewis getting the puncture. A shame, but there is no story here.
     
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  14. TopClass

    TopClass Well-Known Member

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    Autosport:

    Mercedes Formula 1 team boss Toto Wolff believes Nico Rosberg's comments about his Belgian Grand Prix collision with Lewis Hamilton have been misconstrued.

    The 2014 F1 title battle erupted into a new controversy at Spa when Hamilton alleged that Rosberg had admitted to deliberately triggering their lap-two tangle to "prove a point".

    But while confirming that Hamilton's account of Rosberg's phrasing was correct, Wolff said the German was suggesting he had simply not backed down when they were wheel-to-wheel, rather than confessing to deliberately hitting his team-mate and championship rival.

    "Nico felt he needed to hold his line. He needed to make a point, and for Lewis, it was clearly not him who needed to be aware of Nico," said Wolff.

    "[Rosberg] didn't give in. He thought it was for Lewis to leave him space, and that Lewis didn't leave him space.

    "So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion amongst ourselves, but it wasn't deliberately crashing. That is nonsense."

    Although he dismissed the allegation that Rosberg had hit Hamilton on purpose, Wolff said that did not mean his fury towards his driver had subsided.

    "It doesn't change the scenario at all because the incident, as I see it, is not acceptable for us," he said.

    "What we saw there was that Nico was not prepared to take the exit, and that caused the collision.

    "That is not something we want to happen.

    "We had a collision that could have been avoided, a second-lap collision, it was Nico who attacked and he shouldn't have done it.

    "It was also to show he was not prepared to give in.

    "With hindsight, if he could turn back time, Nico would probably not do it again in the way he did."
     
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  15. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    I agree except for the one in red... If you are telling me you did it to prove a point.it saying you did it intentionally. If I go down the road and I run over a person because i think they should have crossed the road a little quicker it's deliberate and Intentional. Rosberg tried to make a point as he said he could have avoided it but he chose not to...Meaning? Deliberate!
     
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  16. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    You are missing the "I was trying to make a point and I could have avoided it but I chose not to" Thats deliberate not an error.. I already pointed 0ut the difference between error and Intentional.
     
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  17. TomTom94

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    That's assuming Rosberg meant what he said and wasn't saying it just to mess with Hamilton. It's easy to say you meant to do something after the fact.
     
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  18. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    How can you hold a line on another driver who was clearly in front and owned the racing line? Remember, Rosberg is an experienced and intelligent driver, he knew it would end in tears for one or both of them but he did it anyway... How ever you put it..the word is deliberate. You drive down the road and crashed into a pedestrian because the person didnt cross fast enough...you tried to make a point in a very deliberate and calculated manner.
     
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  19. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    At the moment it can be said the well spoken blonde is handling this very well... very very well infact.
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    Hamilton is not looking good in this situation. This could go either way in terms of mind games.
     
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  20. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    That would be quite silly of Rosberg to say something that stupid just to mess with Hamilton. Especially with the possibility that the comment could have cost the team and himself valuable points if the Officials had decided to look into it.
     
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