That sounds a bit like straw clutching to me. The key stat is that BAME - mostly black - players make up about 25% of players in English football and just over 4% of coaching positions. That fact is all the context you need. And, with reference to your second paragraph, no one is saying that they should be given the top manager's jobs (and managerial jobs only take up a small number of these coaching positions - and the British quota gets a lot higher when you take in youth coaches and the like). No one is saying that managerial appointments shouldn't be given on merit, as is mostly the case in the Premier League. Is attempting to correct this problem by simply adding one more BAME name to a shortlist really that big a problem?
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That sounds a bit like straw clutching to me. The key stat is that BAME - mostly black - players make up about 25% of players in English football and just over 4% of coaching positions. That fact is all the context you need. And, with reference to your second paragraph, no one is saying that they should be given the top manager's jobs (and managerial jobs only take up a small number of these coaching positions - and the British quota gets a lot higher when you take in youth coaches and the like). No one is saying that managerial appointments shouldn't be given on merit, as is mostly the case in the Premier League. Is attempting to correct this problem by simply adding one more BAME name to a shortlist really that big a problem?
it's not a problem, but is it really an issue?
i didn't have any comparable figures for the general coaching staff. you're concerned about the difference between 25% - about 5 times the representations in the general population - and 4%, so how many of the 25% bame players apply for coaching jobs when they finish playing? how many are foreign and subsequently join a foreign club? how many are foreign and retire to another country? what proportion of coaching and managing jobs become available each season? what proportion of the british bame players apply for coaching roles? how manhy millionaires want to be football coaches? some coaches stay in their jobs for decades. some managers manage for decades.
it's easy and a lazy go-to to blame everything on some ism or other.
Looking at those figures there is an over represention of BAMEs in the media. Is that unfair?
How many black players are interested in going into management?
Pleased to see Chris Hughton making a good job of it at Brighton after getting dumped on by Newcastle.
Darren Moore deserves a crack at WBA but he orobably won't get it. Despite doing well he will be overlooked not because he is black but because they will say he has no experience. So they will appoint someone with experience. Most of it consisting of getting worse results than Moore.
Unfortunately this thread highlights people burying their heads in the sand and not recognizing an issue.
The industry I work in is terrible for it and I have been to 10 conferences in the past 3 months, and there was not one BAME at any of them. We face this issues throughout society, whether it is race or gender or one of the many issues we face.
I would rather we tried a solution (Rooney Rule) even if it has its faults. It will fix some issues, it might not fix them all and it might create more issues but it will solve some. We have to try something otherwise we are not going to solve the issue.
Similarly in many different industries we need to promote people people of different races and more women to certain rules and football is no different.
The industry I work in is terrible for it and I have been to 10 conferences in the past 3 months, and there was not one BAME at any of them. We face this issues throughout society, whether it is race or gender or one of the many issues we face.
I would rather we tried a solution (Rooney Rule) even if it has its faults. It will fix some issues, it might not fix them all and it might create more issues but it will solve some. We have to try something otherwise we are not going to solve the issue.
Similarly in many different industries we need to promote people people of different races and more women to certain rules and football is no different.
i was working in nottingham. we played a 5-a-side game on a court for an hour each week, but one day we had the option of joining more players for an 11-a-side game on an artificial pitch.
But this isn't about promotion?
It is about showing that people from BAME get the same opportunities as white coaches I honestly think you are wrong.
I think the main issue is education and discrimination at an early stage.
Gareth Southgate said is excellently, we can't moan about racism in Russia when we still have a significant issue here.
I admit my post is born out of frustration from a number of things going on in this country as I feel we are going backwards and discriminating in so many ways rather than just basing it on us all being equal human beings.
Maybe the Rooney Rule isn't the answer but I feel in football and society in general we need to try something. If you can come up with a better idea I would love to hear it.