Wait what? in what way can you "without a doubt" say united are the second best team in the world? you do realise that firstly winning the EPL doesnt reallly have any relevance if you are trying to compare madrid and united and secondly that madrid got knocked out by the same team as you right? the reason you were in the final is as simple as you had the easier run. in my opinion had real madrid had to play chelsea and shalcke they would have beaten both quite confortably. sure you can argue united are better than madrid, but i just find it stupid you find it without a shadow of a doubt.
They do and united lost 3-1 to barca, and madrid lost wouldnt you guess it 3-1 to barca, so which actions are you reffering to?
Are you trying to say you think valencia is as good as madrid or are you just making a stupid point? Shalcke also beat inter, but id consider inter better than arsenal.
Real Madrid played Barcelona 5 times last season, that gave them much more of an opportunity to get used to playing against them, hence why Barcelona thumped them 5 0 at the start of season but the latter meetings between the two were much closer.
And wasnt it reported that ferguson asked mourinho for help on tactics, wouldnt that help a little? also say what you will but ferguson could still have analysed barcalona all season without playing them, thats just clutching at straws that is.
Might point is that a frankly dreadful Schalke side beat the 3rd best team in Spain. You say Vilareal are better than Arsenal yet Valencia are better than Vilareal and got beaten by Schalke. I assume you therefore think that Schalke would have beaten Arsenal?
So your judging your opinion that united is better than madrid because, madrid played barca more times? But still, madrid played them 5 times last season only losing two and winning one, i just happen to think that if united played barca 5 times they'd lose more than two ( not including freindlies mate ). two finals two loses.
No but by the same point you would be suggesting that schalke must be better than inter cause they beat them over two legs ONCE, therefore i included the fact that i think inter are better than arsenal and every team has bad games.
We've played them twice in 3 years, hardly enough to get to used to playing against them. If playing someone more often doesn't get you used to playing against them and you can just analyse them from afar then how come when Mourinho changed clubs he went from Beating Barcelona with Inter to getting thumped 5 0 by Barcelona with Real Madrid? Surely he could just have used his knowledge from his victory with Inter to help Real Madrid beat Barcelona? But no, your players have to get used to playing against them. Real Madrid have reached 1 Champions League final in 7 years. Man Utd have reached 3 finals in 4 years. I know which sounds better to me.
True, but then the discussion is over the relative quality of La Liga and the EPL. After all, many top teams such as Real Madrid, Chelsea and Arsenal have had **** all success in Europe in the recent past (i.e. with their current players), so **** all major success in Europe does not mean a team isn't much of an indicator of anything imo. I'd expect him to have been ahead of Frimpong had he been fit. Ergo, him being injured weakened Arsenal's team. Twente? Seriously?! I don't think they will cope without Theo Janssen. They should win their group, but I think they'll be dumped out in the round of 16, possibly even round of 32 if they don't win the group. I know there are teams to come in from the CL, but I'm not interested in speculating on who they will be. I am talking about right here and now - currently I think Spurs are one of the strongest two teams in the draw. Talking about who in the CL might be better than Spurs is completely irrelevant at the moment. Yes we are talking about the present here. Arsenal are presently better than any Spanish team apart from Barca and Real. Even weakened after the loss of Fabregas and Nasri, their players and team are better than most in Europe and I am confident that the current CL season will bear that out. No, the argument is quite simple - Madrid played Barca more times and so have more experience of facing them and dealing with them. And Madrid effectively lost to Barca four times last season - in the two drawn games the draw suited Barca far more than Real - those were both must win games for Madrid in the CL and the league. The fact is that Barca are head and shoulders above both Utd and Real, and trying to compare Utd and Real based on how inadequately they each performed against Barca is pointless.
Real madrid have won 9 champions league in 70 or so years, united have won 3, see how facts dont tell a true story. and while you can bitch about saying real madrid got to get used to playing against barca, at the same time barca got used to playing real madrid making your point quite invalid. Secondly real madrid have gotten alot better since ronaldo, alonso, ozil etc joined than they were 4 to 5 years ago, and having mourinho has a manager might help a little, we'll see at the end of the year though And at swarbs, since when has diaby been a DM? so why would he be ahead of frimpong? On twente, we'll see how they turn out. arsenal are not better than any team in spain apart from barca and madrid, watching them play in that first half they have gotten alot worse and id still say villareal are better, but then again champions league this year will show us more. And finally like i said to berb, you can say what you want that madrid got used to playing barca, but at the same time barca got used to playing madrid, its a two way system, and to be fair in my opinion madrid have had some real bad decisions go against them while playing barca, i know they hack but alot of there red cards should be yellow cards, but whatever. I think real madrid will really challenge barca this year though but i guess we're going to have to wait and see, it'll be intresting anywayz good performance so far by united, 3-1 cheap goal to give away, evans keeping walcott on side.
9 CLs in 70 years means precisely **** all in the context of the current season and current teams. Particularly given that five of those were the first five European Cups when Real were the only club set up to play in it. They've gotten better, but having Ronaldo, Alonso, Kaka and Benzema didn't help them against Lyon in 09/10. Mourinho has helped, but may well self destruct this season - he's already tried to gouge and eye in frustration! Since when did Arsenal play with two DMs? They had to play Song and Frimpong when usually they would play Song and Wilshere. So they replaced a CM with a DM due to Wilshere and Diaby being out, thus unbalancing their team. Capiche? As you say, we will have to see. Arsenal are pretty shocking atm, but then they have had a terrible pre season and are still missing lots of players. Vermaelen, Sagna, Gibbs, Song, Wilshere and Gervinho were missing today, so that's more than half of Arsenal's starting first team not to mention not having yet replaced Fabregas and Nasri. Twente may surprise me, but I doubt it. We'll have to see. Personally I'm not sure Mourinho has any more ideas to try - the challenge of Barca seems to have frustrated him like the challenge of Utd did in 2007. He may be his own worst enemy this season, alienating the board and his own players as he focuses all the attention on himself. Guess we'll have to see. Yeah, not a great couple of goals to concede, but for a defence missing three first choice players (Rio, Vidic and Rafael) and with a keeper still learning you have to expect that.
Firstly to all the arsenal posts, all ima say is if you lose 8-2 to united, you cant be that good, people just have to face the fact that arsenal have gone to self destruct mode, and i simply wouldnt at present rate them as a top 8 club Secondly i dont think mouinrho will self destruct, and while yes he did start of bad in 2007, he got fired in september and there was alot of season left, to say he frustrated himself and thats why he left is a bit bull to be honest. Also mouinrho has clearly helped, in the champions league cause there performing alot better in it with him rather than perregrini ( Spell check ) and i dont think barca has frustrated him enought for him to drive madrid down all by himself, we saw today albeit against a inferior side that their still playing good football, and it could have been 10 nil today, the goalkeeper was quite good. and also yeah goals like the first one you conceded today are likely to happen with young deffenders, but the suprisring factor is that it was made by evans the eldest of the lot, and the one with supposdely the most experience. I think he's your next oshea, called upon when needed, as well as being loyal, thought i could be wrong there. And yes berb ronaldo never scored a hat trick for man united, right. whats with you in the la liga? did you go on holiday to spain when you were a child, and did something strange and horrible happen or something? if you know what i mean.
