Roly Gregoire Article

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cz02gdm7zleo

This from the BBC today - apologies of it's in another thread, but I couldn't find it

I 'get' that this is a different era, but maybe we can reflect on what happens if we think that some human beings are superior to others. The behaviour of the fans is no surprise to me, but the behaviour of others he came into contact with, including other players is disgraceful
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cz02gdm7zleo

This from the BBC today - apologies of it's in another thread, but I couldn't find it

I 'get' that this is a different era, but maybe we can reflect on what happens if we think that some human beings are superior to others. The behaviour of the fans is no surprise to me, but the behaviour of others he came into contact with, including other players is disgraceful
It's a really shameful,upsetting article,which goes a way to countering our current euphoria. Those who want to put us down will seize on it.
All I can say is that it was nearly 50 years ago.....the vast majority of our people have become more educated now and this current side is full of black players, all of whom are loved and respected by every genuine fan and by people of our City, unconditionally.
 
He remembers: "After the game I was having a drink with some supporters, and one of them asked: 'Were your brothers at the game today?' I said: 'Yes, five of them.' And he said: 'They're fast!' But someone interrupted, and I didn't get the chance to ask what he meant.

"Later, I rang one of my brothers to make sure they'd got home OK. He said they'd been coming to find me at the club hostel where I was staying, but on the way someone threw half a brick at them and shouted … they used the N-word, I'll put it like that.
:emoticon-0106-cryin The lads that did this could very well
Still be match going fans. The optimist in me hopes they’ve changed over the years and regret their actions
 
We can't change the past but we can learn from it, it's nice to hear that he enjoyed being back and hopefully he feels like this is a place where he can be remembered fondly because whatever he was as a player, he will always be the first black player for Sunderland.
 
It's a really shameful,upsetting article,which goes a way to countering our current euphoria. Those who want to put us down will seize on it.
All I can say is that it was nearly 50 years ago.....the vast majority of our people have become more educated now and this current side is full of black players, all of whom are loved and respected by every genuine fan and by people of our City, unconditionally.
That was my take on it as well Brainy. The past can’t be changed but we have to be careful about judging it through a modern lens. I’m certainly not excusing that type of behaviour he described. It’s abhorrent. Living in multiethnic societies today means everyone knows that there is more to an individual than what they look like.
 
Very powerful article and good to face up to the hard, uncomfortable truths.


...Signed from Fourth Division Halifax Town on Bonfire Night 1977, for a fee of £5,000, Roland Gregoire – a quick, direct and confident striker known to everyone as Roly - had caught the eye with a hat-trick against the Wearsiders' reserves, earlier that season.

Gregoire settled into digs on the sea front in Seaburn, delighted and surprised that it was the very Sunderland suburb much loved by him and his family because of their annual Sunday School outings there from Bradford.

Sunderland manager Jimmy Adamson opened the new year by handing him the number seven shirt for the Second Division game against Hull City at Roker Park, and the teenager responded by setting up a goal for club legend Gary Rowell in a 2-0 win.

It was a landmark moment for Gregoire which was ruined, forever, by what happened next.

He remembers: "After the game I was having a drink with some supporters, and one of them asked: 'Were your brothers at the game today?' I said: 'Yes, five of them.' And he said: 'They're fast!' But someone interrupted, and I didn't get the chance to ask what he meant. Later, I rang one of my brothers to make sure they'd got home OK. He said they'd been coming to find me at the club hostel where I was staying, but on the way someone threw half a brick at them and shouted … they used the N-word, I'll put it like that.

"It was a group of men - a lynch mob - who chased them through the park near the ground. They were just teenagers. They were so scared – but somehow they managed to escape. It was despicable. Seaburn had meant so much to us, but from that day on my mother, 'til the day she died, never, ever spoke of Sunderland again."

For Gregoire, this was just the start...

"I knew only one other black fellow in Sunderland, he was at the polytechnic," remembers Gregoire. "Wayne Entwistle [a white striker, who signed the same day in a £30,000 deal from Bury] shared digs with me for a while and was a good guy, but it was quite a lonely time."

Gregoire cites the club's 1973 FA Cup-winning captain Bobby Kerr and experienced midfielder Mick Docherty as two colleagues who made him feel welcome, in a debut season where he made eight first-team appearances.

But he felt the dressing room attitude towards him change in the summer of 1978, with a couple of notable incidents on a pre-season tour of Kenya.

"After one game, all these children ran on to the pitch and went up to one of our players and gathered round him," he says. "But when they'd gone he came to me and wiped his hands on my shirt. I thought that was disgusting.

"It was like he thought those children had disease, and wanted to wipe it on me! Why me? Because I'm black, is that why?"

Later, at a post-match reception at the home of a wealthy local white family, the team lined up to meet the hostess.

"She shook the hand of the players on my right, bypassed me, then shook the hand of everyone else," he says. "I didn't waste a second. I just calmly and coolly walked out of the house and on to the team bus. I would rather be out there, with lions and hyenas, than be inside, being insulted like that.

"Not one person came to see how I was, or to offer some comfort. It was only when they'd finished eating and drinking, laughing and joking, that they came filing back on to the coach. I thought that was a disgrace. That woman insulted me, and by insulting me she insulted the club. There was no loyalty, no integrity – I felt abandoned."

...The fact Gregoire did not feature in Sunderland's first-team photo for the 1978-79 season hinted at the problems to come, and one post-match visit to the Roker Park dressing room during that campaign sticks vividly in his mind.

He explains that he was going round the changing room shaking everyone's hands – as was the tradition for anyone who hadn't played to do – when he came to one player who addressed him with a racial slur.

"I just held him by his throat, up against the locker, then put him down and walked out," he says. "The changing room was packed, but no-one came to ask: 'Roly, what happened there?' I started to feel it more and more, as each incident happened, with people putting me down all the time. It was as if nobody at Sunderland cared for me."

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...After nearly half a century, he just wants to set the record straight.

"I don't hate Sunderland, but I hate what they did to me and I hate the fact my legacy is mud," he says. "I'm a joke. I'm a laughing stock. What terrible thing did I do? I was just a young man. It's easy, because I'm the black fellow, you see."

Sunderland fan Bill Hern, co-author of Football's Black Pioneers, which chronicles the first black player at each of the 92 League clubs, is hoping Gregoire's reputation can be restored.

"I remember seeing him play, and he had great potential. You can only imagine how isolated he must have been in Sunderland at that time," says Hern. "He went through so much, but he paved the way for the likes of Gary Bennett, Darren Bent, Jermain Defoe and many others. For that reason his name will be forever cemented into the history of Sunderland AFC."

...A few weeks ago, Gregoire was invited back to Wearside with some of his family to meet the current squad. He chatted to players in the gym and admired the "beautiful" facilities, while also sharing memories of his time, including how windy it always was and the £1-a-minute fines for being late to training.

He made an emotional return to Seaburn to show his daughter and grandson where he had lived, looking out to sea with tears in his eyes and a "thank you, God" before adding: "Mum, dad, look where I am after all these years."

Gregoire was also a guest of Sunderland at their home game with Manchester United earlier this month, where he posed for photos with fans and signed autographs, later joking to his daughter that they had been "treated like celebrities".

"I'm so happy to be back," he told his former captain Kerr, whom he met at the Fans' Museum, where photos of Gregoire hang on the wall.

Gregoire, who says he still follows Sunderland's results and now "doesn't miss" an episode of Match of the Day, said that even though he had shed a lot of "eye water" remembering his experiences, he was glad to have now spoken publicly about what happened.

"We recognise the important role that Roly Gregoire played in Sunderland AFC's history as the Club's first Black player, and we look forward to continuing to work with him during the 2026-27 season to appropriately acknowledge and celebrate his contribution as part of the club's history," Sunderland said in its statement.

Does Gregoire think times have changed for black players?

"The problems they face are much the same," he says. "People maybe don't chant the racist things they used to, but instead they write it online. At least now black players have a voice and can make themselves heard.

"Going back to Sunderland after all this time was a wonderful experience. I feel purged... I feel purged. I'm happy."
 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cz02gdm7zleo

This from the BBC today - apologies of it's in another thread, but I couldn't find it

I 'get' that this is a different era, but maybe we can reflect on what happens if we think that some human beings are superior to others. The behaviour of the fans is no surprise to me, but the behaviour of others he came into contact with, including other players is disgraceful
I did mention in another thread that I’d seen him just about to go in the Fans Museum when we played Man U.
It is a shocking article but the club and city have come a very long way since then.
Sad thing to happen to a young lad and probably not a coincidence that the BBC publish this now.
 
I did mention in another thread that I’d seen him just about to go in the Fans Museum when we played Man U.
It is a shocking article but the club and city have come a very long way since then.
Sad thing to happen to a young lad and probably not a coincidence that the BBC publish this now.

What do you mean by that? You reckon the timing is intentional?
 
The club are now behaving brilliantly...

Pity deformed and fa gash are now very much in Sunderland City
Yup

I realise that this isn't the politics thread. However Reform counsellors have repeatedly expressed racist, misogynistic and anti-science views. Sure, there are other parties whose representatives have been guilty of racism, but not in such numbers.
 
Very uncomfortable read, that. What that poor bloke went through is disgusting, it'll have hit home harder to him than to most others as he says that Seaburn was somewhere he went to a lot on Sunday school trips, somewhere where he'd felt "at home" with positive feelings from being there before only to have his brothers attacked in that area by locals. That would feel like a massive betrayal, I know it would hurt me a lot in that position.

I'm shocked about his dressing room treatment, you'd have thought a few at least would have looked out for him. I suppose some weren't sure what to do, especially the younger ones and kept their heads down. Some might have played "follow the leader" so they didn't get picked on, but it's bad and reflects badly on the club and the squad at the time. It looks as well as if he was thrown to the wolves after that Blackburn game instead of being supported. He was a kid at the time, FFS, how many young players have we seen have a mare during a game?

Then to cap it off with his compensation for retiring and going back on promising to look after him when he did. That probably wasn't racist, more the attitude of the club at the time, but it still stinks to high heaven. Maybe that's why there were stories I heard as a kid that a lot of ex Sunderland players didn't have much to do with the club for years after leaving and it took until the late 80s/early 90s for it to be changed.

I know there was a lot of racial tension in the country around them, I watched a program a couple of years ago about Cyrille Regis, Lawrie Cunningham and Brendan Batson and the abuse they got at the time. It's only a few years later you had the picture of John Barnes back heeling a banana off the pitch at Goodison. Monkey chanting was common even up to fairly recently. You hope things have changed, but somehow I doubt it. When Glenn Gibbins can say that Nigerians should be melted down to fill potholes and still be elected as a city councilor it shows there still plenty of racism there, just maybe not as open, hostile and violent, just more hidden and less obvious unless it's online. The fact that three of our players have suffered racist abuse this season shows it.

I'm glad Roly says he feels purged and is happy now, hopefully he'll be back regularly to see us and we have a better relationship with him.
 
I was at a game Roly was playing and was astounded at the disgusting remarks shouted at the lad. Trouble was.. someone would shout some racial slur and the guys around him would laugh…. Sickening… Pleased the club are doing right by him now because whatever anyone thinks about Roly he made history as our first black player….
Have to say…. I thought he was an awful footballer but no need for the racist abuse he suffered
 
Can't remember any specific examples for Roly, he didn't play many games, but it was a very racist time at football games . Probably worse in the north as it was 99.5 % white and culturally a backwater. All wrong and thankfully changed for the better. Cowie wasn't the best in terms of money so not surprised he didn't get what was promised. He wasn't at the right level but should have been supported.
I hope he gets invited back again and the club looks after him , it must have been a very lonely and depressing time for him...
 
That article is a really upsetting read, and I feel genuinely terrible for the lad.

But as hard as it is to read, it’s a good thing the article was posted - irrespective of the timing. People need to know what happened, especially as several of our current lads were the subject of disgraceful racial abuse in recent months.

It’s very good to see that the club welcomed Roly back, and to see their zero tolerance approach to recent incidents.
 
A very difficult read. Really sorry to hear that the lad encountered that degree of abuse in an area which had previously held positive childhood memories for him.

It’s damning of the club and players of that time that he felt so isolated and also on those fans who also gave him abuse at games and terrified his family.

It’s good to hear that the club are actively trying to engage with him and encouraging to hear his comments on feeling purged.

I hope the club continue to develop the bond with him.