My point is if you give a manager time he will get it right. So if Allardyce got lucky buys, when does a manager get credit for signing good players? You may not like them but their results right now but are better than what Rodgers is currently achieving with a more expensively assembled squad. I still insist most people are using last season as the template to criticize the current team yet there are major conditions that have changed. If Suarez and Sturridge we fit and playing then this criticism (of Rodgers) would stand.
I have to say I look at it from another angle. If Rodgers is to develop he needs experience in Europe. A run in the Europey (if we get knocked out of CL) may well serve him and thus the club well in the future. Also we have to learn what it takes to play weekend games followed by midweek Euro games. We've suffered this year partly because we aren't used to that. Also consider the Europey winners get a CL spot next year....
Things have certainly changed, but when you spend £100m in the summer, surely we should not be struggling as much as we have done. I didn't expect us to score as many goals but the fact that our whole creativity has been sucked out of the attack is alarming because it implies that Rodgers was reliant on SAS, rather than creating a system where players can slot in and out with minimal disruption. 3 years into his tenure and our defence is still weak and we have a 34 year old attacking mid playing as a deep lying play maker...
It's almost worth it for this, just to have #bitter heads explode at the idea that we are the first team to benefit from the rule change to get us in the CL again
Good point there. I don't think we should be turning our noses up at any competition. Of course, I rather we focus on getting top 4 next season but as you say, playing games midweek is good exposure and experience. Remember, Rodgers is not a well known coach on the continent so a good cup run will help boost his rep when it comes to signing foreign players.
Apparently you're now on the "second curve of development" according to Mr Clever. I assume by that he means a downward curve......
i see your point, but those 2 managers are always on the danger list for losing their jobs and for good reasons, stability is as much key as performances on the pitch, ie west ham are desperate to keep hold of the olympic stadium so prem survival is key for them to filling it, Pardew has had a good couple of weeks and some good results, but it wont take much for him to be in trouble again. not the type of manager i want here however crap we are playing at the mo.
One of the factors that people seem to be ignoring is some players have not carried on from last season. There has been a drop in performances in the following players Gerrard cannot seem to deliver his deadly set pieces ,no goals from dead balls and is a yard slower. Sterling is off form Coutinho is more inconsistent Sturridge is out injured - When Suarez was banned Sturridge carried the attack. Fast forward Suarez is gone, Sturridge is injured and the remaining strikers cannot catch a cold. Origi had to go on loan as per his purchase conditions. The 100 million investment would have been ideal to integrate slowly by introducing them in one by one and not the direct change over that has lead to confusion. The fabric of the team from last season is totally destroyed. My understanding was we needed to strengthen the first team. Last season's first 11 was brilliant it was the second 11 that was lacking. City and Chelsea kept their star men and upgraded further. Chelsea's players have gone a gear upwards while ours have regressed.
I am not saying i'd want them here just illustrating that even the not so good managers will get it right with time. It is easy to criticize when the train is rocking but I truly believe Rodgers is a good manager and it will do no harm to give him time. Some of us are already claiming we have done a Spurs with our transfer kitty from Suarez. I don't know why we'd consider doing a further Spurs by ditching the gaffer after a few bad results. It worked well for them.
At the moment our manager and young players have a lot to learn. Obviously we'd all rather they were getting experience at the top table but if we get knocked out of CL I'd rather we were getting some experience rather than none at all.
IMO rodgers more than anyone has ripped up said fabric. why? 1. indulging gerrard who refuses to get into the only position eh can play and stay there slip or no slip. 2. buying very badly... 3. searching for solutions to the wrong problems and not focusing on the basics of his own game. a 3-5-2 nominal with johnson? why the F... Last season's first 11 was good but the attack was world class. this year the attack is non existent and players like Henderson and sterling don't know where they are playing one game to the next and gerrard is being moved around to accomodate his ego. Our first 11 was good not brilliant and we should have been buying to replace suarez and to supplant allens, gerrards and johnsons.... the only player we bought for firsts was to replace sahko/agger (lovern) and moreno. balotelli was a savage error. 2/3 really good players needed. we got can who's got potential, markovic who was supposed to have some but i don't see it and lallana who is worse than coutinho.. it's not as good a set up now compared to last year and the options off the bench now can#t make a difference We need to nails down one way of playing... that way either has gerrard at the base of midfield sitting in and frankly facing the opposition goal and not moving OR its got him on the bench til 60 odd mins. If someone presses him hard... great let lovern or skertl stride forward with some purpose carrying the ball cos they are not pressed. seeing lucas play box to box, hnderson played everywhere but where he's best and sterling played lw, rw, no 10 and now wingback has confused him and created a real loss of form and focus on simply going at players direct.
It's far too early to judge any of the buys other than to judge current form but not their careers at Liverpool. How many of the team of last season were thrashed the season before. We have gone back to season before last, Rodgers first season where there was a lot of huff and puff but we were too easy to contain, even with Suarez by the way. Funny how no one sees Suarez success last season as being helped by Studge and Sterling, always seen as Suarez helping everyone else. For me the biggest thing I can see changed from last season is finding people in the final third, we are tragic at it atm, we do not overload and let Sterling and Cout get isolated, in fact everyone in the final third gets isolated, because we do not overload, we try stretch instead but we are not beating players with little clever triangles to get down the wing, we just give it to someone and they run with it, ie Sterling and Cout. If we overload we suck players in and create room elsewhere and also create those little passing paterns in tight spaces to get someone through into space to run in on goal or send a cross in. This we did often especially when Suarez came short to get involved. predictable, boring, that's us right now, so much so that teams really fancy a point or three when they play us Liverpool will concede a goal so if you can keep us quiet, which is too easily done, then the game is most likely yours
http://www.thesportbible.com/articles/are-these-liverpool-fans-serious Are These Liverpool Fans Serious? 6022 shares / 20 hours ago Share with Facebook Share with Twitter Share with Google+ Share on Reddit Share on WhatsApp Share via Email Last season, Brendan Rodgers achieved near Messianic status on Merseyside, as he almost masterminded Liverpool to a highly unlikely Premier League title victory, narrowly missing out on the Reds' first championship in 25 years. Now though, with Luis Suarez in Barcelona and with Rodgers being bereft of Daniel Sturridge due to 'Caribbean vibes' (we're not kidding), Liverpool are struggling to find any sort of form and slumped to their fourth league defeat of the season, away to Newcastle United yesterday. Combine this with a lifeless Champions League campaign which has seen the Reds lose two out of their three matches and being extremely fortuitous in defeating Bulgarian minnows Ludogorets, and sections of the Anfield crowd have grown beyond restless. Now, to (what we hope) is a small section of the Anfield faithful, Rodgers is no longer a genius and is in fact the sole reason behind Liverpool's downfall this term. So, as is tradition with idiotic, fickle, over emotional modern day fooball fans, they've decided hiring a plane to fly a banner over Anfield for the next home game, against Chelsea, declaring their desire to see the former Swansea City manager removed from his position. We imagine they'll declare Rodgers as the second coming of Rinus Michels should Liverpool down Jose Mourinho's men next Sunday.
Is it too late to suggest they change the banner to "**** off Glen Johnson" Or "Please stop using Glen Johnson"?
Hope to **** this isn't true. Bloody embarrassment of it is, especially after the shot Man Utd got for it last year! Thing is, if I were rich beyond my eldest dreams, I'd pay for a embarrassing plane to fly over a rivals ground. I'm not ruling this explanation out (for is our the mancs last season)
no way its true... and honestly i'd shoot that plane down myself as its a disservice to our club and team when playing a game. good job its not a real story
