Roberto Soldado

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Soldado keep or sell


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A number of us are talking about Soldado on other threads so I thought we should perhaps have a thread dedicated to our expensive Striker, who so far has dissapointed us and no doubt himself. The irony of the 'New Striker' campaign we all took part in and then the excitement of seeing us spend over 25 million on a Spanish Striker 3rd in line behind La Liga's Messi & Ronaldo looked like the dream signing many of us had wanted.

Is it over for Soldado at Spurs? Certainly Daniel Story in the article below thinks so, but could he still come good, injuries perhaps forcing his recall into the starting line up of PL games, a couple going in and literally kick starting his stuttering career. Who knows!, but he is not the first big money striker to flop as we all know only too well, Rebrov? The team in West London have had two HUGE flops with star strikers.

What is it about strikers, is it all Emperors New Clothes in the first place. I am sure if somebody could be bothered they could compile a huge list of very expensive striker flops.

What will happen to Soldado?


Soldado's Race At Spurs Has Run

Just 13 months after arriving with a glowing reputation and £26m fee, Roberto Soldado looks a shell of the striker Spurs bought. Daniel Storey thinks his race has run...

In hindsight, it was probably when Fernando Torres knew that his Stamford Bridge career was over. During Chelsea's Europa League-winning campaign of 2012/13, Torres started every match, but in that three-month period began just five Premier League games. The early stages of this competition have become a close sibling of the League Cup: An arena for the unconvincing, untested or unwanted.

Roberto Soldado must have experienced that very same feeling when making his third start of the season against Besiktas, joining AEL Limassol and Nottingham Forest on an inauspicious list. Spurs may be desperately short of forwards, but Soldado is third in a list of three. The Spaniard last started a Premier League game on March 30.

With Emmanuel Adebayor the first choice to lead the line ever since Tim Sherwood took over in December 2013, Soldado has been forced to contend for substitute minutes with 21-year-old academy graduate Harry Kane. It's a race in which the Spain international is quickly falling further behind.

Against Besiktas, it was Kane rather than Soldado who made his case for domestic consideration. The striker scored the game's opening goal, turning expertly on the edge of the box before firing beyond Tolga Zengin. It was a finish of great confidence - Kane's progression is one of the pleasing points of a stuttering early season for Spurs.

One simply couldn't envisage his strike partner doing something similar. A failure to have a single shot, the fewest touches (29) of any starting outfield player, and the fewest successful passes told the story of Soldado's evening. As predictable as it was disappointing.

Soldado's decline has been extraordinary. He arrived in England with a reputation as a penalty box predator, a striker buoyed by six goals in his previous nine internationals and a realistic contender to be Spain's starting No.9. His 82 goals in three seasons at Valencia put him third behind only Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi in Spain's goalscoring list. He's now third again, this time to Adebayor and Kane.

In La Liga, Soldado was a finisher, registering an impressive 4.16 shots per goal during his final league season at the Mestalla. He was idolised by Valencia's supporters for his rambunctious attitude, and nicknamed Gudari at Getafe - the soldier. This was not an all-round forward, but his aggression and movement made up for any shortfall in skill.

The £26m fee Spurs paid appeared expensive, especially considering his age (28), but represented a confidence from the club that Soldado would be a 20-league goal striker - their first since Jurgen Klinsmann. Whilst the signings of Erik Lamela and Paulinho contained obvious risk, Soldado was the no-brainer. Round peg was being placed into round hole.

The player himself was equally confident of success. "To give an exact figure is complicated," Soldado said in August 2013. "My objective is to score more than 20 goals which I think is a good amount. The physical side is harder than in Spain and, because of that, I want to show my commitment to fight for this shirt in the best possible way."

It has been an utter calamity. Soldado has played 1,970 Premier League minutes for Tottenham and has scored two goals from open play. He has taken 51 shots and managed just 17 on target. That shooting accuracy (33%) compares unfavourably to Jermain Defoe (57%), Adebayor (70%) and Kane (71%) over the same period. A conversion rate from open play of just 3.7% marks a startling drop from 20.5% in his previous La Liga season.

Saddest of all is Soldado's current demeanour. Gone is the movement in the box, gone is the boisterous attitude and gone is the apparent desire to seek football's defining glory: The goal. The Gudari now appears unarmed, debilitated by his own fruitless toils.

Soldado's guilt is not without mitigation. At times he has been left worryingly isolated, the under-performance of Erik Lamela, Nacer Chadli and Andros Townsend during the early months of last season leaving the striker painfully short of service when he needed to hit the ground running. A midfield including Gareth Bale, Luka Modric and an in-form Aaron Lennon may have seen a marked shift in Soldado's fortunes.

Soldado has also endured a difficult time off the field, with homesickness not helped by other personal issues. Soldado has been insistent that this has not affected his level of performance, but at such times we must remember that footballers are not robots, suffering life's inevitable pitfalls just like anyone else. Fame or fortune offers nothing in compensation.

Whatever is to blame for the striker's staggering regression, it appears that Soldado's race has run at White Hart Lane. Starting in the Europa League is a difficult habit to shift, with opportunities in the Premier League now rare. With patience at a premium, the suspicion is that Soldado is nursing an empty glass in the last-chance saloon. His career has quickly turned sour, and it may be time to look for the next challenge

DANIEL STOREY
 
Think we should sell him,another Rebrov,Matbe it's the system'or defences are better in the p/l.his confidence must be shot to pieces as well,and he might not get back to his best,like torres,never has
 
Think we should sell him,another Rebrov,Matbe it's the system'or defences are better in the p/l.his confidence must be shot to pieces as well,and he might not get back to his best,like torres,never has

A combination of AVB's revolutionary system of never passing the ball forwards, followed by Sherwood's revolutionary approach to a player being low on confidence being banished to the bench have done the damage. There's been glimpses here and there of what he could have done, such as his hat-trick and interplay with Townsend against Anzhi last season, and even last night there were a couple of the briefest flashes when he was going forwards, but that's all they've been: moments of brilliance amid the ages of anonymity.
 
Clearly a quality player in there, will be ****ing amazing for his next club most likely in Spain. He's done for us though i think.

Read also: Paulinho
 
It sounds as though you may have some hopes for Soldado HBIC?

More that I have zero tolerance for journalists ignoring or omitting a crucial fact in order to fit their argument.

As I said, there's been flashes of what Soldado is capable of, although flashes are no substitute for consistency - and I doubt that's going to happen thanks to AVB's tactics of never passing the ball forwards or Sherwood's approach to helping a player short on confidence by benching them, and now he's watching Adebayor being completely ineffective yet not getting branded a flop by the papers like he was as early as last November.
 
Soldado was bought by the wrong manager and for the wrong reason.
AVB wanted a high pressing team that ground other teams down...he did not play with speed...possession was his aim to grind down the opposition through pressure. The loan striker in that system has to hold the ball up and often plays with his back to goal waiting for midfielders to support the attack.
Soldado needs the ball moved out wide and played in quickly while he he going towards goal.
Under redknap he'd have thrived.
I am not pining for the return of redknap by the way ... it's just how I see it.
If we had spent the £27m on him in Jan 2012 when we were in 3rd place instead of getting Saha on loan recent history may have been very different.

As for his future...I am hoping he makes it with us but can see him leaving next summer
 
I suppose frustrating sums it up for me. If you can bang them in regularly in La Liga - especially if you don't play for Real or Barca - then there has to be a striker hidden in there somewhere.
 
Soldado's failing for the same reason that Defoe failed towards the end of his time at Spurs. We've asked both to do jobs that they're no good at.
Watch this clip of his goals from his time at Valencia:

[video=youtube;jBHnymaOBe4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBHnymaOBe4[/video]

Virtually all of them are from inside the penalty box and a number are basically tap ins, where he's lost his man and gained a little space near the six yard box.
He needs support and service and we're providing him with neither, while also failing to draw defences out so that he can make runs into space.

We've got the players available to get the best out of him, especially in the cups, but we're not playing a system that utilises them properly.
Our width is nonexistent, we rarely cross the ball effectively and until last night we weren't playing two up front, leaving him completely isolated at times.
We're basically asking Gary Lineker to play like Didier Drogba and then wondering why it's not working.
 
Soldado's failing for the same reason that Defoe failed towards the end of his time at Spurs. We've asked both to do jobs that they're no good at.
Watch this clip of his goals from his time at Valencia:

[video=youtube;jBHnymaOBe4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBHnymaOBe4[/video]

Virtually all of them are from inside the penalty box and a number are basically tap ins, where he's lost his man and gained a little space near the six yard box.
He needs support and service and we're providing him with neither, while also failing to draw defences out so that he can make runs into space.

We've got the players available to get the best out of him, especially in the cups, but we're not playing a system that utilises them properly.
Our width is nonexistent, we rarely cross the ball effectively and until last night we weren't playing two up front, leaving him completely isolated at times.
We're basically asking Gary Lineker to play like Didier Drogba and then wondering why it's not working.

You could also say that a fair few, the volleys in particular, all flew in where they could quite as easily sailed over the bar as they have at Spurs and that others hit the keeper/woodwork and still went in whereas now they are hitting the keeper/woodwork and staying out.
 
You could also say that a fair few, the volleys in particular, all flew in where they could quite as easily sailed over the bar as they have at Spurs and that others hit the keeper and still went in whereas now they are hitting the keeper and staying out.

There are a lot of those misses and saves that don't make it to clips like that, but where he was getting a number of opportunities in every game at Valencia, he's now feeding off scraps.
If he gets a run of games where he's getting service, then I think he'll start scoring regularly again.

He was anonymous in the first half yesterday, but then started to do well, get involved and put in some serious work, when he was bizarrely substituted.
Really couldn't understand that at the time and I think it cost us.
 
There are a lot of those misses and saves that don't make it to clips like that, but where he was getting a number of opportunities in every game at Valencia, he's now feeding off scraps.
If he gets a run of games where he's getting service, then I think he'll start scoring regularly again.

He was anonymous in the first half yesterday, but then started to do well, get involved and put in some serious work, when he was bizarrely substituted.
Really couldn't understand that at the time and I think it cost us.

I've no problem with his non-goalscoring contributions when he actually gets given the ball. But i think he's had it as a goalscorer for Spurs now. Too much water and a really narrow bridge.
Like i said, clearly a quality player, we'll just never see it
 
Agree with HBIC & RCL over Soldado

We lumped out a lot of money on a proven goal scorer and never play to his strengths.
Given the right service in the right areas I still believe that Soldado will be prolific for us.

I remember him scoring against Cardiff last season and the for the rest of that game he looked like he was getting his confidence and form back.
Game after was Benfica where Sherwood left him on the bench in favour of Harry Kane, game after was Chelsea where again he was left on the bench.
Since then he has looked woefully short of confidence.
 
Agree with HBIC & RCL over Soldado

We lumped out a lot of money on a proven goal scorer and never play to his strengths.
Given the right service in the right areas I still believe that Soldado will be prolific for us.

I remember him scoring against Cardiff last season and the for the rest of that game he looked like he was getting his confidence and form back.
Game after was Benfica where Sherwood left him on the bench in favour of Harry Kane, game after was Chelsea where again he was left on the bench.
Since then he has looked woefully short of confidence.

The COC game against the Spammers was worse - Sherwood wanted to sub Adebayor, but rather than doing a like-for-like sub and bringing on Soldado he brought on Holtby instead. Even the players on the bench reacted like he'd forgotten which player was which.
 
Soldado relies on good service, at Spurs he is feeding on scraps, if he played for Arsenal or Chelsea he would probably be scoring for fun with the service he would receive from the likes of Hazard, Ozil etc.

I would like to see him played as part of 2 up front, particularly in home games, sadly with the current system being employed that is unlikely.
 
He looked the best of the 2nd class in Spain.

He looks out of his comfort zone in the PL.

Few players from Spain make it in the PL. The tempo and style of play is alien to them. There are a few exceptions, but generally speaking the relatively small numbers who have come here have failed unless they are A list players. Soldado didn't make it at Real Madrid; although he did well at Valencia, he's been hit and miss over his career.
 
We should have got David Villa. Would have cost peanuts and is still sharp at his age. Would have bagged loads of goals and given us another option. Soldado offers us nothing that Ade or Kane can't already.
 
He looked the best of the 2nd class in Spain.

He looks out of his comfort zone in the PL.

Few players from Spain make it in the PL. The tempo and style of play is alien to them. There are a few exceptions, but generally speaking the relatively small numbers who have come here have failed unless they are A list players. Soldado didn't make it at Real Madrid; although he did well at Valencia, he's been hit and miss over his career.

I guess I'm old fashioned.Well,I am! But I'd like to have seen Spurs pick up a player like Kevin Davies to harass the crap out of the opposing defences while the big money boys did their thing.
I get so bored watching this one pass forward and three passes back game we see today.
I never thought I would see the day when a player took a corner and two passes and the ball is back with his own goalkeeper.Who taught them this for goodness sake?
 
I guess I'm old fashioned.Well,I am! But I'd like to have seen Spurs pick up a player like Kevin Davies to harass the crap out of the opposing defences while the big money boys did their thing.
I get so bored watching this one pass forward and three passes back game we see today.
I never thought I would see the day when a player took a corner and two passes and the ball is back with his own goalkeeper.Who taught them this for goodness sake?

I agree Smithy. <ok>