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Perhaps it bringing City down is a bit fanciful but is expecting a club who, seemingly, ignored child abuse being brought to book really just the thought of an 'idiot'?
Regardless of it happened a few years back.
Maybe if you had kids you'd think differently.
It shouldn't be treated with a shrug of the shoulders, like it was with the BBC.
I have 2.
All those who perpetrated it and hushed it up should be punished.
But City as a club, I doubt there is a single employee from those days even at the club any more, dont see it as a fault of the current Man City, personally.
EDIT: Sorry if I sounded overly scathing in my response this morning.
Ignore everything I say before 10am, I am a grumpy twat in the mornings.
Imagine the uproar if South Yorkshire police weren't brought to book because Hillsborough happened a few years back and the same blokes didn't work there anymore.
Is that an unreasonable metaphor? Is it even a metaphor?
**** City, the media **** fest is nauseating and let's not pretend that everyone from that era is now conveniently dead. Sadly. Be good if they were, that would be that.
Fair enough, they've been bought out by an 'innocent' money laundering country since but does that really exonerate them, as a club?
No, does it ****.
Is that an unreasonable metaphor? Is it even a metaphor?
**** City, the media **** fest is nauseating and let's not pretend that everyone from that era is now conveniently dead. Sadly. Be good if they were, that would be that.
Fair enough, they've been bought out by an 'innocent' money laundering country since but does that really exonerate them, as a club?
No, does it ****.
Fine by the way, I can handle being called an idiot as long as I can raise it with with a knobhead!
Chief in full fury.
To be honest, go after the individuals. Yes yorkshire police got it but its basically all the people in command that have been got at.
If you think everyone at City, all the fans and every staff were involved, why are you punishing the whole lot when its probably just the people in the higher up and the lawnmower man
To be honest, go after the individuals. Yes yorkshire police got it but its basically all the people in command that have been got at.
If you think everyone at City, all the fans and every staff were involved, why are you punishing the whole lot when its probably just the people in the higher up and the lawnmower man
The employing organisation must take some corporate responsibility. Just as a staff bullies another or attacks a customer.
What is really disgusting are the raving references given by prominent managers at the time to a man who clearly must have been in the radar for having dubious behaviour.
Interesting match yesterday at the Emirates.
Wenger puts out a weakened side against a non fancied side with hardly any European experience and no top players. Lo and behold they get nearly dumped out. Yes it is Arsenal and they’ve got a habit of crumbling against sides in European football.
But for me shows how it is easy to lose in European football and nothing should be taken for granted. We won the Europa last season. To me that’s a major achievement and a top trophy despite being viewed as an entry to the CL competition . Others might say we had an easy ride last season ? We were strong relative to the others in the competition? The others were absolutely poor?
Not our problem and United came out on top,
Wenger puts out a weakened side against a non fancied side with hardly any European experience and no top players. Lo and behold they get nearly dumped out. Yes it is Arsenal and they’ve got a habit of crumbling against sides in European football.
But for me shows how it is easy to lose in European football and nothing should be taken for granted. We won the Europa last season. To me that’s a major achievement and a top trophy despite being viewed as an entry to the CL competition . Others might say we had an easy ride last season ? We were strong relative to the others in the competition? The others were absolutely poor?
Not our problem and United came out on top,
Didn't we sell that Arsenal mob one of our 'top young players' a while back. I remember it was going to be the end of us - whatever happened to him I wonder
On what planet is Wenger living on? He insists on staying till the end of next season. And the owners/executive feel almost powerless to push him out.
He must surely know by now that managers live and die by results. And his results have been absolutely dreadful. Not focussing on the Europa (he admitted) but he is now 10 points behind the 4th team. Worse in the final that could have saved him, his team performed so appalingly that most of football world were disgusted at seeing his team not turning up. To lose so badly at Wembley in a Cup Final was indicative of how low he and his players have sunk. Wigan put up more resistance than them. His players just gave up.
He is showing the classic "dictator" symptoms of the Mugabe and Zuma type. He feels rather indispensable. His club would not survive without him even most sane observers are asking him to go for the benefit of the club. Surely even him can see that a new decent manager will revitalise the club, the squad and give the boost that's required. He's stale and has stayed too long in the job. People use the example of Ferguson as evidence that long term stability is great. No. If you are not a genius like Ferguson it isn't. It is a recipe for stagnation and decline.
He must surely know by now that managers live and die by results. And his results have been absolutely dreadful. Not focussing on the Europa (he admitted) but he is now 10 points behind the 4th team. Worse in the final that could have saved him, his team performed so appalingly that most of football world were disgusted at seeing his team not turning up. To lose so badly at Wembley in a Cup Final was indicative of how low he and his players have sunk. Wigan put up more resistance than them. His players just gave up.
He is showing the classic "dictator" symptoms of the Mugabe and Zuma type. He feels rather indispensable. His club would not survive without him even most sane observers are asking him to go for the benefit of the club. Surely even him can see that a new decent manager will revitalise the club, the squad and give the boost that's required. He's stale and has stayed too long in the job. People use the example of Ferguson as evidence that long term stability is great. No. If you are not a genius like Ferguson it isn't. It is a recipe for stagnation and decline.
Sir Alex Ferguson created a big myth in modern day football, and that was the myth that managerial stability over years and years brings success.
It did bring us success, and lots of it, but SAF was a one off, I think he became such a powerful figure and personality, that he could continue to motivate players to run through brick walls for him year after year. Because he had so much success and he was such a powerful figure at our club every new generation of player believed in him, and the momentum of success just continued and continued.
Arsene Wenger, and so many other managers have a shelf life at each club they go to, they might have an impact initially, but eventually teams become tired of hearing the same stuff over and over again, and fresh ideas from a new manager are needed.
It's a little like how a Tennis player, or a golfer change their coach every couple years. It's not because the previous coach wasn't good enough, they just need fresh ideas eventually.
It did bring us success, and lots of it, but SAF was a one off, I think he became such a powerful figure and personality, that he could continue to motivate players to run through brick walls for him year after year. Because he had so much success and he was such a powerful figure at our club every new generation of player believed in him, and the momentum of success just continued and continued.
Arsene Wenger, and so many other managers have a shelf life at each club they go to, they might have an impact initially, but eventually teams become tired of hearing the same stuff over and over again, and fresh ideas from a new manager are needed.
It's a little like how a Tennis player, or a golfer change their coach every couple years. It's not because the previous coach wasn't good enough, they just need fresh ideas eventually.
I think you have it partially right, most players have a shelf life at a club.
SAF knew when that came to an end and got rid when required regardless of name and stature. Wenger has stood by players year after year regardless of ability or performance because they were "Arsenal" players.
Jose is similar to SAF in the way he treats players, if he bought them or not they go if not performing as he demands.
Nowhere near the same style or standard of play but at least the players know who the main man is.
I think the class of 92 in particular, was a big factor in why Fergie was so successful for such a long period of time.
Not just because of what they did on the pitch, but the influence the likes of Neville, Giggs and Scholes ended up having in the dressing room.
I think that's a big reason why he kept the 3 of them around right til they retired, even though towards the end he could only play them every now and again because of their age. A lot of other managers might have sold them once they realised they couldn't play every week.
Fergie knew though, that those senior players had huge respect for him, having brought them through as youngsters, so they would in effect run the dressing room for him. As the rest of the squad would always follow the senior players.
So Fergie had the freedom to take on a big name player, and make an example of them, as he did with the likes of Beckham, and Van Nistelrooy, and it wouldn't cause a dressing room revolt.
Mourinho on the other hand, has never really had that kind of influence over a group of players, and that's why when he has made an example of players in the past, things have spiralled out of control, and he's ended up losing the dressing rooms, and getting the sack in the process.
What do you think Jose will do next week when you play us at your place. If you win, you're pretty much nailed on for 2nd. Will he go for that, or will he just look to try and stop us from scoring, once again? What would you like to see?
I think he will approach the game very similar to the way we approached the Chelsea game. We won't be all out attack, but then we won't be all out parking the bus like we did in the game at Anfield. It will be somewhere in the middle.
Jose knows that if we keep a clean sheet, or maybe only concede the 1 that well probably beat you, as your defence is always going to give us opportunities. I think for you guys to get anything from the game you'll need to score a couple of goals.
It's not the football I want to see us play, but its always been the way Mourinho approaches big games, and more often than not he gets the result he wants.
Our defence isn't quite as Keystone Cops as it was. It's more cohesive with VvD there and with a front three like ours, we're always capable of scoring. It should be a good game, but I think you'll see Mourinho at his most pragmatic, aiming to avoid defeat in the way he usually does, which would be a shame with millions and millions of people watching around the world.
Well I kind of see it differently, your on a good little run at the moment because you haven't played anyone decent since Spurs. But I think once that defence is tested you will make mistakes.
VVD has had some good games but he's also had some howlers, and has made numerous mistakes that have led directly to goals. hes good in the air, but it's still easy to get round that, you just aim your crosses away from him. He's clumsy though when you put him under to much pressure, and he makes poor decisions. So he would not concern me.
Your attack is manageable for us, as your big strength is pace, so if we don't allow you the space in behind then you can't hurt us.
I'm not really concerned about the neutrals watching the game, all I care about is winning. Our games against the top sides this season have not been bad games, the Arsenal game in particular was one of the best games to watch. The only really bad ones where the away to you lot, and home to Spurs.