Be ready for disappointment, I'm afraid. The Emirates is more likely to reflect our pricing than this state-sponsored nonsense. If West Ham could fill it at full price, they'd do just that.
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Be ready for disappointment, I'm afraid. The Emirates is more likely to reflect our pricing than this state-sponsored nonsense. If West Ham could fill it at full price, they'd do just that.
In other walks of life, such as as say steel production, this approach is called 'dumping' and considered unethical. Particularly so when you've been subsidised to build the infrastructure in the first place. A lot of people go to matches who are not fans of the clubs playing. Why should they get cheaper prices to watch Wet Ham.
It's called Supply and Demand. I would say ourselves and the Goons overcharge for football. I would also say that the price depends on the level of demand - there is a large degree of brand loyalty here - I don't choose between WHL and Upton Park based on the price.
Depends how many we get. If we have 40000 in a 61000 stadium, then they'll have to reduce prices surely.
Unlike West Ham's season ticket waiting list, ours does not include M. Mouse, D. Duck, Roger Rabbit, Harry Potter and The Easter Bunny or any other fictional characters. I'm on the list for 2. Anyone else?
There is sometimes a fine line between Supply and Demand and Dumping but if you've built a facility that is too large for your needs with a massive state subsidy and then you are given more subsidies to run it so you can undercut competitors' prices you are definitely dumping.
I've been on the Spurs season ticket waiting list for many years am now 6,500th so they might easily be able to sell 20,000 more season tickets than currently. I imagine the economic case for the new stadium would make no sense if they could only sell the extra seats at a discount.
I think what people are hoping for is that there will be a balance of pricing that ensures full attendance +
meets whatever club costs / new WHL debt servicing obligations that will exist.
Whether those prices will be same / less than current, or will be Library-esque, remains to be seen.
Yep. Can't see it getting much shorter after this season, either.
West Ham will fill their ground next season. That is what we're arguing.
all?
... your 'penalty' at Citeh
... Wimmer not getting a second yellow at West Ham
... Dier not getting a second yellow against the Goons (unlike Simpson - before that sending off the Goons had not had a shot on target) ...
... I wouldn't completely discount 'unconscious bias' now I'll admit... it is a bit of a fairy tale ... but we have also had some controversial ones go against us ... United's equaliser against us came about due to Schweinsteiger's weight advantage over Shinji Okazaki that enabled him to all but pick the little guy up and throw him to the floor before making the header that equalised ... now there was 6 of one etc in the build up to the corner but the fact is the ref could easily have blown ... and Huth had his shirt pulled completely off at Palace the other week and yet no penalty? ...
I don't beleive that things actually do even out over the season tbf ... some clubs will end up with more 'rub-of-the-green' ... all you can do is to try and do enough in games that a poor refereeing decision doesn't ultimately matter e.g Aguero's goal for Citeh was certainly offside ... but we'd put 3 past them by then
Whatever you do don't remind them about Vertonghen's assault on Mahrez
So your response to somebody saying that you're getting all of the 50/50 decisions in your games is to talk about games not involving Leicester?all?
... your 'penalty' at Citeh
... Wimmer not getting a second yellow at West Ham
... Dier not getting a second yellow against the Goons (unlike Simpson - before that sending off the Goons had not had a shot on target) ...
... I wouldn't completely discount 'unconscious bias' now I'll admit... it is a bit of a fairy tale ... but we have also had some controversial ones go against us ... United's equaliser against us came about due to Schweinsteiger's weight advantage over Shinji Okazaki that enabled him to all but pick the little guy up and throw him to the floor before making the header that equalised ... now there was 6 of one etc in the build up to the corner but the fact is the ref could easily have blown ... and Huth had his shirt pulled completely off at Palace the other week and yet no penalty? ...
I don't beleive that things actually do even out over the season tbf ... some clubs will end up with more 'rub-of-the-green' ... all you can do is to try and do enough in games that a poor refereeing decision doesn't ultimately matter e.g Aguero's goal for Citeh was certainly offside ... but we'd put 3 past them by then
I don't agree with BTY's views on this matter, but this argument makes absolutely no sense.
Your examples are also very poor.
Sterling jumped with his arm raised. Easy to see how it was given.
Emenike actually fouled Wimmer and the foul was given against him. Clear pullback.
Dier could've got a second yellow, but the ref also failed to dismiss Bellerin before that for a similar offence. Consistency.
We've benefited from some decisions this season, but those weren't good examples of when it's happened.
We've also had some bloody awful refs and it's cost us points sometimes, but we've mostly got through it anyway.
West Brom away would be one example of us dropping points after a shocking decision, though.
What is this thing that you keep bringing up? I genuinely don't remember it.Whatever you do don't remind them about Vertonghen's assault on Mahrez
Yes it is apparent that is the current outcome. There are things that lead to such outcomes. They are often refereed to as factors; some might say circumstances; causes if you will. Often they are a lot more interesting than the mere facts. Alternately, this board would look like this:
You: Leicester 1-0 again.
Us: Yes.
You: And again....
Us: Yes, we saw.
If West Ham sell out their 35,000 ground it is historically abnormal. They have always advertised in the London press and radio. For them to need to provide extra seats on a capacity of 54,000 (were it not for the sponsorship of all London ratepayers) should be the subject of an episode of The Outer Limits. Without the causes being aired it means nothing. Once the give away pricing is known it becomes a whole lot more interesting.
I was making the point that we are not the only team that have benefitted from 50/50 decisions that have potentially changed the outcome of the points ...
Sterling... easy to see how it was given perhaps ... but outside of Spurs fans you'd be struggling to find many others that thought it was a penalty because there was no intent ... but then you kads have previous ... similar views in terms of the Dyer penalty in the first game ... in neither case IMHO was there any intent to move hand to ball ... difference of opinion so no point debating much more ...
Rudy Gestede scored what turned out to be an equaliser for Villa against us when the ball first hit his hand (he mis-controlled it) far more questionably than the two incidents just mentioned ,, my point is that these things happen ... we haven't received the benefit in 'all' 50/50 instances as the other poster was suggesting
... Giroud was fouling Simpson (by leaning back into him and holding) for both the incidents that Simpson received yellows for.. your lads got lucky in comparison... the point being that both players probably would have missed a game through subsequent suspension as well as effecting the games in which the incidents occured ...
... but as I said at the end of my post ... all that you can ever do is to attempt to put in a performance that makes such decisions irrelevant.
Good points ... Derby did something similar a few years back and had capacity attendances each week ... personally I would like to see clubs take active steps to fill unused tickets with a scheme for local schools ... unfortunately such schemes are unlikely to appeal to the money men ... for me it would 'hook' future generations of support ... but I won't be entirely happy until we start following the German model tbf ... football tickets should not be priced beyond the reach of the average family ...
BTY did say "in the last few weeks", so most of your examples would be irrelevant.
I don't think that there is a bias, just a rather annoying run of slightly dodgy decisions, though.
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I'm not surprised you don't remember it. It clearly didn't happen because Leicester get all of the favourable decisions, right?
But you're turning this into a debate that this doesn't need to be.
I'm not arguing that they're filling it because of excellent prices. I'm arguing that they will fill it, which was questioned earlier.
Average ticket price in the Premier League: £53.76. La Liga? £50.83.
Bundesliga: £23.02. Less than half. WTF?
Hear, hear!
Unfortunately, the consumer in this country is always exploited. London customers especially so. That makes the whole thing even more ridiculous. How can the cheapest tickets in the PL be for a new stadium in London? One day there will be prosecutions over this but I won't be holding my breath until it happens.
.. purely for 'unconscious bias' ... I'm not ruling it out ... because unlike Micky DiM Quinn on talkshite, who continues to insist that this is the poorest EPL season ever ... I think many people have realised that for a club of our size to actually be doing what we are is unprecedented and even, to some degree, romantic ... as such I won't rule out the possibility of individuals being affected ... doesn't change my opinion on actual decisions ...
Mahrez clearly pulling Vertonghen's shirt in that picture. Context would really help.