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[PleaseNotPoll]

I mean, you can think what you like, but how can you ignore those stats?

They clearly show that Coutinho has been amongst the goals more often than Eriksen ad Alli with regards to playing time and that Vardy has been far more clinical/creative than Kane and Sturridge.

You can say that stats are largely irrelevant. Which they are, on the most part. But when discussing the influence a player has on goals then this is the only definitive one you can look at.

You're literally improving your opinion about players for not playing games.
Take Vardy and Kane's cup stats out of the equation and what do they say then?
That doesn't even take into account the increased fatigue from the extra games and traveling and I suspect that Kane comes out ahead.

My go to thing about stats has always been the Brunt > Xavi thing from a few years ago.
He scored more goals, got more assists and created more chances than the Barca man over the course of a season.
This was for the 2010/11 season, IIRC.
Xavi came third in the Ballon d'Or and won the World Cup, La Liga, the Champions League and endless other stuff.
Chris Brunt? Not so much.

 

[Dier Hard]

When it comes to English strikers, we're actually blessed to have a ridiculous amount of superb talent.

Vardy and Kane should be the two nailed on for Euros and then cases can be made for Welbeck, Sturridge and Deeney while Rooney will get included just because he's Wayne ****ing Rooney. Charlie Austin and Benik Afobe are also decent players but won't have a chance of getting selected, though it just shows for once the strength in depth to choose from, the saddest thing however is that we have a ****ing dinosaur in charge who'll mess it up when it comes to selection for the first game of the Euros. No doubt Wilshere, Baines, Rooney and Milner will all start because their "experience" is vital...

 

[AKCJ]

You're literally improving your opinion about players for not playing games.
Take Vardy and Kane's cup stats out of the equation and what do they say then?
That doesn't even take into account the increased fatigue from the extra games and traveling and I suspect that Kane comes out ahead.

My go to thing about stats has always been the Brunt > Xavi thing from a few years ago.
He scored more goals, got more assists and created more chances than the Barca man over the course of a season.
This was for the 2010/11 season, IIRC.
Xavi came third in the Ballon d'Or and won the World Cup, La Liga, the Champions League and endless other stuff.
Chris Brunt? Not so much.

Taking Premier League games only...

Vardy has scored or assisted 25 goals in 32 games (2814 minutes) - A goal or assist every 0.78 games and one every 112 minutes.
Kane has scored or assisted 23 goals in 32 games (2831 minutes) - A goal or assist every 0.71 games and one every 123 minutes.


As for Brunt vs Xavi. That'll be Brunt the winger vs Xavi the deep lying midfielder? These stats only work when you compare them to players that actually play the same position and that play the same teams.

 

[AKCJ]

When it comes to English strikers, we're actually blessed to have a ridiculous amount of superb talent.

Vardy and Kane should be the two nailed on for Euros and then cases can be made for Welbeck, Sturridge and Deeney while Rooney will get included just because he's Wayne ****ing Rooney. Charlie Austin and Benik Afobe are also decent players but won't have a chance of getting selected, though it just shows for once the strength in depth to choose from, the saddest thing however is that we have a ****ing dinosaur in charge who'll mess it up when it comes to selection for the first game of the Euros. No doubt Wilshere, Baines, Rooney and Milner will all start because their "experience" is vital...

It's infuriating that we've got so much talent up front and in central midfield and goal but **** all anywhere else.

 

[Spurlock]

Painful crap, yet they seem to hold it against us, for some reason. Weird.

The reason is....as far as the rest of the clubs go barring Chelsea and City, who can buy the league and United too I suppose, every other team cannot stand us because we make a serious effort every year to move further and further up and we show the confidence...everyone thinks we are cocky for doing that, they hate it, because underneath they all know if Spurs make it to the top...they will do a damn fine job of staying there. That's why everyone loves cute little Leicester to the extent that even though their own team could win the league, they still wanting Leicester to win it..knowing that they are the only club this year who are in our way...and pose no long term threat. They might do, but this is their lingering hope, knowing that their own clubs are incapable.

Look at the Pool fans...they can't stand Spurs getting to the top because that would just be another nail in their mid table coffin that confirms to them that the 80's are well and truly over and respect is due to Spurs. Had they not been ridiculed for their lap of honour after the WBA draw, they would have had an open top parade after the Spurs draw. Some serious small club syndrome has creeped into the team of the 80's.

I quite enjoy the hidden hurt which is obvious to us Spurs fans.

 

[AKCJ]

The reason is....as far as the rest of the clubs go barring Chelsea and City, who can buy the league and United too I suppose, every other team cannot stand us because we make a serious effort every year to move further and further up and we show the confidence...everyone thinks we are cocky for doing that, they hate it, because underneath they all know if Spurs make it to the top...they will do a damn fine job of staying there. That's why everyone loves cute little Leicester to the extent that even though their own team could win the league, they still wanting Leicester to win it..knowing that they are the only club this year who are in our way...and pose no long term threat. They might do, but this is their lingering hope, knowing that their own clubs are incapable.

Look at the Pool fans...they can't stand Spurs getting to the top because that would just be another nail in their mid table coffin that confirms to them that the 80's are well and truly over and respect is due to Spurs. Had they not been ridiculed for their lap of honour after the WBA draw, they would have had an open top parade after the Spurs draw. Some serious small club syndrome has creeped into the team of the 80's.

I quite enjoy the hidden hurt which is obvious to us Spurs fans.

I think more people think you'll do a Liverpool than anything else really.

This season will be a wake up call and the likes of City, Chelsea and Arsenal will wake up next season.

I'm considering putting good money on both Spurs and Leicester failing to qualify for the Champions League next season.

 

[Spurlock]

I think more people think you'll do a Liverpool than anything else really.

This season will be a wake up call and the likes of City, Chelsea and Arsenal will wake up next season.

I'm considering putting good money on both Spurs and Leicester failing to qualify for the Champions League next season.

Based on what?

when in the last 8 seasons or so we have been doing anything but a Liverpool and gradually improving....we crossed paths a fair few years ago..when they were declining and we were rising.

Pool were ****, had a cracking season and then returned to being ****. Look at our campaigns and that is not the case. So after our best season by far league position wise...we won't crumble...we won't be 8th 9th like Pool...we will at the very least remain to be a pain in the arse for the old Sky4 and City.

I haven't got no bitterness towards Leicester..you are our rivals this season, so you won't get us wilting to that desire of wishing you well..it's only natural. I'm glad the Sky4 are getting their arses handed to them.

 

[AKCJ]

Based on what?

when in the last 8 seasons or so we have been doing anything but a Liverpool and gradually improving....we crossed paths a fair few years ago..when they were declining and we were rising.

Pool were ****, had a cracking season and then returned to being ****. Look at our campaigns and that is not the case.

By "doing a Liverpool" I mean that you'll be Europa League for a bit before having a great season and then going back to the Europa League.

Although thats more to do with other teams improving than yourselves declining.

 

[Dier Hard]

It's infuriating that we've got so much talent up front and in central midfield and goal but **** all anywhere else.

I'd say it's only CB where we're weak. Cahill's been bang avaerage for Chelsea, Jagielka's been injured and aging, Smalling is average at best, Stones is just potential at the moment and god help us if Phil Jones gets selected.
Ironically, I feel the two best performing English CB's in recent seasons (in my opinion) aren't getting a look in - Shawcross and Dann. I like Shawcross for his no-nonsense approach whereas Dann has been a real threat from set pieces for Palace this season, chipping with four or five goals.

 

[AKCJ]

I'd say it's only CB where we're weak. Cahill's been bang avaerage for Chelsea, Jagielka's been injured and aging, Smalling is average at best, Stones is just potential at the moment and god help us if Phil Jones gets selected.
Ironically, I feel the two best performing English CB's (in my opinion) aren't getting a look in - Shawcross and Dann. I like Shawcross for his no-nonsense approach whereas Dann has been a real threat from set pieces for Palace this season, chipping with four or five goals.

We have zero wingers that can consistently produce quality and we don't have a fullback that doesn't think he's a winger.

 

[Spurlock]

By "doing a Liverpool" I mean that you'll be Europa League for a bit before having a great season and then going back to the Europa League.

Although thats more to do with other teams improving than yourselves declining.

It's not based on Europa or CL for that matter..it's based on the bread and butter of the league...and with that we won't be becoming mid table fodder like Pool anytime soon. We will still be mind ****ing the Sky4 and City.

Their decline is embarrassing hence the butthurt by the Pool fans..and claiming to be a massive club yet celebrating draws with open top bus parades.

We won't need to do that...we are consistent in our progress..they were a flash in the pan due to being a one man team. I feel their pain.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Taking Premier League games only...

Vardy has scored or assisted 25 goals in 32 games (2814 minutes) - A goal or assist every 0.78 games and one every 112 minutes.
Kane has scored or assisted 23 goals in 32 games (2831 minutes) - A goal or assist every 0.71 games and one every 123 minutes.


As for Brunt vs Xavi. That'll be Brunt the winger vs Xavi the deep lying midfielder? These stats only work when you compare them to players that actually play the same position.

So Kane has a couple fewer assists than Vardy, despite not having had a break in the summer and playing a bunch of extra games?
From this you conclude that Vardy's done better, despite scoring less goals and having more time to prepare for games?
Not knocking his contribution this season, but I disagree.

Brunt plays in a variety of positions, including defence this season, but he was playing in the midfield at the time, IIRC.
The stats don't work at all and the fact that an amazing Barca player was dwarfed by an average Premier League one should tell you that.

 

[Sucky]

Spurlocks got major butthurt, he thought this was their year, but no guess what, next year is their year muhahaha

 

[Citizen Kane]

I mean, you can think what you like, but how can you ignore those stats?

They clearly show that Coutinho has been amongst the goals more often than Eriksen ad Alli with regards to playing time and that Vardy has been far more clinical/creative than Kane and Sturridge.

You can say that stats are largely irrelevant. Which they are, on the most part. But when discussing the influence a player has on goals then this is the only definitive one you can look at.

The more logical 'definitive' would be to actually watch the game in person and properly assess the influence that a player has on his team's performance. That would be far more revealing than relying on a decimal place. Bottom line is none of us, yourself included, know enough about players from other teams, so we resort to ridiculous statistical comparisons to back up our make-believe arguments. I'll accept that, after meeting each other 4 times this season, Spurs and Leicester fans know quite a bit about their respective teams (which is why you'll find that this is the only forum that doesn't buy into the media orgy that 'Leicester play great football'. They play effective football, not great football. And yes, I did just open that can of worms again ), but beyond that? Not a chance. I don't watch enough of Liverpool to know all too much about Coutinho or Sturridge, and I don't see a problem in admitting that.

I guess that's the bottom line when it comes to transfer windows. So often, you'll hear fans clamouring to sign a certain player, then it transpires that the rumours were all false and the club never even entertained the thought of signing them. Why? Because we (together with Garth Crooks) base our opinions on MOTD highlights and meaningless excel spreadsheets, whereas the club bases its opinions on weeks if not months of in-depth scouting, often watching a player in training sessions let alone actual matches.

 

[Spurlock]

my point proven.

Sucky is the smallest of the small club syndrome club.

He thought Spurs were going to get smashed...that became a 'haha, we stopped you winning it by getting a draw'

Small club..small minds...and now he is trying to palm off the 'next year is our year' phrase onto the Spurs contingent...because it's another embarrassing aspect of his club.

I'd say how the mighty have fallen but you wasn't even born when Pool were anything worthwhile...that's why you watch the Video tapes that your dad passed over to you...chug chug..listen to your VHS rewinding and get emotional Sucky lad.

is every house in Liverpool sold with one of these as mandatory?

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[Dier Hard]

We have zero wingers that can consistently produce quality and we don't have a fullback that doesn't think he's a winger.

Sterling is pacey and skilful enough to cause any defence a problem on his day, whereas Vardy will likely be used as a wide forward as I think Kane will play in a lone central role. Alli can also play out wide, he has been for us (while rotating with Eriksen in games) for about half a season now and no doubt we'll be seeing him go for a record number of nutmegs in the tournament.

Solely defensive full backs don't really exist any more, you won't find many, if any Gary Neville's in this day and age, besides I think the pace factor will be key in international football, English players play at a high intensity and we should use this to our advantage with the pace we can choose from. The modern full back should be able to attack as a winger and have the pace to get back and defend when required. When you think of the world's best full backs, Dani Alves, Marcelo and David Alaba all come to mind, although Philip Lahm is world class and probably more Gary Neville than Dani Alves.

 

[Sucky]

my point proven.

Sucky is the smallest of the small club syndrome club.

He thought Spurs were going to get smashed...that became a 'haha, we stopped you winning it by getting a draw'

Small club..small minds...and now he is trying to palm off the 'next year is our year' phrase onto the Spurs contingent...because it's another embarrassing aspect of his club.

I'd say how the mighty have fallen but you wasn't even born when Pool were anything worthwhile...that's why you watch the Video tapes that your dad passed over to you...chug chug..listen to your VHS rewinding and get emotional Sucky lad.

See chaps, major butthurt syndrome, hehehe

BTW haig has predicted you Will win the title within3years, next year mate next year lol

 

[Spurlock]

If I had major butthurt I'd be on the Pool board everyday reminding them how they are 17 points behind us...that gulf in class is so obvious. There's only one butt hurting here...and everyone knows who that is

 

[Sucky]

If I had major butthurt I'd be on the Pool board everyday reminding them how they are 17 points behind us...that gulf in class is so obvious. There's only one butt hurting here...and everyone knows who that is

Wumdadumdadum

 

[AKCJ]

Sterling is pacey and skilful enough to cause any defence a problem on his day, whereas Vardy will likely be used as a wide forward as I think Kane will play in a lone central role. Alli can also play out wide, he has been for us (while rotating with Eriksen in games) for about half a season now and no doubt we'll be seeing him go for a record number of nutmegs in the tournament.

Solely defensive full backs don't really exist any more, you won't find many, if any Gary Neville's in this day and age, besides I think the pace factor will be key in international football, English players play at a high intensity and we should use this to our advantage with the pace we can choose from. The modern full back should be able to attack as a winger and have the pace to get back and defend when required. When you think of the world's best full backs, Dani Alves, Marcelo and David Alaba all come to mind, although Philip Lahm is world class and probably more Gary Neville than Dani Alves.

It isn't that they don't exist it is just that they are u fashionable.

I would look at Simpson in the right back slot. He the best defensive English right back in my opinion.

However, I'd play a narrow 4-1-2-1-2 and use attacking fullbacks for width with Dier to cover defence.

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Drinkwater Barkley
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