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District Line said:
Completely inaccurate, but even so he had to overcome Real Madrid's Galactico's and cash splashing Man U to win the CL with Porto. He won the treble with an Inter side that had its fair share of limitations, beating Barca at their peak along the way. His record at Leiria also refutes your argument (IMO).

Take out the Dutch League and every single league is pretty much contested by 2 teams.
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That's the point, he's never broken a two-horse race, merely joined one (Chelsea finished second under Ranieri, which seems to have been redacted from Chelsea fans' collective memories)

It's also untrue he "overcame" Real Madrid in the 2003-4 CL, as Porto lost 3-1 and drew 1-1 with them in the group stage and, it has to be said, they had an easy draw - an under strength Man Utd (who achieved their worst-ever Premier League finish that season) followed by Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco. If anything, Monaco's run to the final was far more impressive, knocking out Real Madrid in the last 16 and Chelsea in the semis.

His time in the Premier League demonstrated two things. Firstly that Wenger is unable to retain a title (see also 1999, 2003), and also that Man Utd were rebuilding - as their two third-placed finishes in that time are the worst since the Premier League began, yet they responded with winning the title from Chelsea in Mourinho's third season.

As for Inter, as I said he came in when Inter were unopposed: Milan and Juventus were all over the place at the time, certainly not title-winning teams, so the title was Inter's to lose. They did win a more far more competitive set of Champions League fixtures, although it's once again hard to look beyond the money he had to spend given he paid huge fees for Sneijder, Milito and Eto'o that season, as well as Quaresma and Muntari the previous season.
 
See he want's to slash the cash again ,with Sneijder as one of his targets,it would be intresting to see how he would do,without Unlimited amounts of money at his dispossal
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
That's the point, he's never broken a two-horse race, merely joined one (Chelsea finished second under Ranieri, which seems to have been redacted from Chelsea fans' collective memories)

It's also untrue he "overcame" Real Madrid in the 2003-4 CL, as Porto lost 3-1 and drew 1-1 with them in the group stage and, it has to be said, they had an easy draw - an under strength Man Utd (who achieved their worst-ever Premier League finish that season) followed by Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco. If anything, Monaco's run to the final was far more impressive, knocking out Real Madrid in the last 16 and Chelsea in the semis.

His time in the Premier League demonstrated two things. Firstly that Wenger is unable to retain a title (see also 1999, 2003), and also that Man Utd were rebuilding - as their two third-placed finishes in that time are the worst since the Premier League began, yet they responded with winning the title from Chelsea in Mourinho's third season.

As for Inter, as I said he came in when Inter were unopposed: Milan and Juventus were all over the place at the time, certainly not title-winning teams, so the title was Inter's to lose. They did win a more far more competitive set of Champions League fixtures, although it's once again hard to look beyond the money he had to spend given he paid huge fees for Sneijder, Milito and Eto'o that season, as well as Quaresma and Muntari the previous season.
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Agree with all of this, I had a similar post on our board a few weeks ago, mourinio is a good manager but he is not as good as Chelsea fans and the media portray. Throw in his massive ego and desire to be the centre of attention, and you get what happened at real, and is the reason Man u did not consider him to replace SAF, with mourinio its all about him rather than the club, and truly massive clubs like real and Man u won't accept someone thinking he is bigger than the club.
 
Mourinho's mistake at Real was to get political. He thought he was bigger than the club and could do that. At Real Madrid, big mistake!..
 
seanDCFC said:
PORTO :steam:
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The following list of players from the 2004 Champions League final were signed by Jose Mourinho in his time at Porto:
Paulo Ferreira
Nuno Valente
Pedro Mendes
Maniche
Derlei
Carlos Alberto
Nuno
Ricardo Costa
Jose Bosingwa
Pedro Emanuel
Edgaras Jankauskas
Benni McCarthy

That's six of the starting eleven, and six of the seven substitutes - 2/3 of the squad, in other words, so you bet your copy of Pravda he splashed the cash to get that squad together.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
That's the point, he's never broken a two-horse race, merely joined one (Chelsea finished second under Ranieri, which seems to have been redacted from Chelsea fans' collective memories)

It's also untrue he "overcame" Real Madrid in the 2003-4 CL, as Porto lost 3-1 and drew 1-1 with them in the group stage and, it has to be said, they had an easy draw - an under strength Man Utd (who achieved their worst-ever Premier League finish that season) followed by Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco. If anything, Monaco's run to the final was far more impressive, knocking out Real Madrid in the last 16 and Chelsea in the semis.

His time in the Premier League demonstrated two things. Firstly that Wenger is unable to retain a title (see also 1999, 2003), and also that Man Utd were rebuilding - as their two third-placed finishes in that time are the worst since the Premier League began, yet they responded with winning the title from Chelsea in Mourinho's third season.

As for Inter, as I said he came in when Inter were unopposed: Milan and Juventus were all over the place at the time, certainly not title-winning teams, so the title was Inter's to lose. They did win a more far more competitive set of Champions League fixtures, although it's once again hard to look beyond the money he had to spend given he paid huge fees for Sneijder, Milito and Eto'o that season, as well as Quaresma and Muntari the previous season.
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Yeah but I'm not basing it purely on domestic success I'm trying to analyse the bigger picture. People said that Serie A could not produce a CL winner because it was too weak. Mourinho overcame a Chelsea side that was smashing teams by sixes and sevens and then Barcelona at their peak. He also took a village team to 5th in the Portuguese league, even finishing above the likes of Sporting Lisbon. Whilst at Inter he also had a positive net spend.
 
enigma said:
Agree with all of this, I had a similar post on our board a few weeks ago, mourinio is a good manager but he is not as good as Chelsea fans and the media portray. Throw in his massive ego and desire to be the centre of attention, and you get what happened at real, and is the reason Man u did not consider him to replace SAF, with mourinio its all about him rather than the club, and truly massive clubs like real and Man u won't accept someone thinking he is bigger than the club.
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Better than any manager you've had in your history though and won a treble, something which only 4 managers have achieved.

Man U wanted Mourinho, but he didn't want them for all sorts of reasons but mainly location. His daughter is studying in London which makes it easier for him to live there for family reasons. Man U were flat out rejected by Mourinho and Ancelotti so had to settle for The unglamorous appointment of Moyes.

Anyone that thinks Moyes was first choice needs their head checked. The Glazers only care about the brand and making money. Not gonna win many Chinese/Indonesian/Korean gloryhunters over with a name like "David Moyes" who has won nothing in his career.

Mourinho had more power than any other manager Real have had and Perez wanted to keep him, but it's well documented that key players such as Ronaldo, Ramos and Casillas threatened to leave if Mourinho was kept on. With presidential elections looming Perez couldn't afford to take any risks and had to pander to the players egos or face the possibility of not being re-elected.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
The following list of players from the 2004 Champions League final were signed by Jose Mourinho in his time at Porto:
Paulo Ferreira
Nuno Valente
Pedro Mendes
Maniche
Derlei
Carlos Alberto
Nuno
Ricardo Costa
Jose Bosingwa
Pedro Emanuel
Edgaras Jankauskas
Benni McCarthy

That's six of the starting eleven, and six of the seven substitutes - 2/3 of the squad, in other words, so you bet your copy of Pravda he splashed the cash to get that squad together.
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How much?
 
Paulo Ferreira- 1.7 million
Nuno Valente- 480k
Pedro Mendes- undisclosed but would have been cheap
Maniche- free
Derlei- 400k
Carlos Alberto- 2.2 million
Nuno- 2.6 million
Ricardo Costa- nothing
Jose Bosingwa- 800k
Pedro Emanuel- undisclosed
Edgaras Jankauskas- 2.1 million
Benni McCarthy- 3 million

Yep, huge spending right there <laugh>
 
seanDCFC said:
Paulo Ferreira- 1.7 million
Nuno Valente- 480k
Pedro Mendes- undisclosed but would have been cheap
Maniche- free
Derlei- 400k
Carlos Alberto- 2.2 million
Nuno- 2.6 million
Ricardo Costa- nothing
Jose Bosingwa- 800k
Pedro Emanuel- undisclosed
Edgaras Jankauskas- 2.1 million
Benni McCarthy- 3 million

Yep, huge spending right there <laugh>
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Nett was under 500K Has to be the best ever win of the CL on a budget.

Made humanbeing look like a right idiot now.
 
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